What evidence exists that Blacks and Whites have equal intelligence?

So you've now shown studies that Blacks and Whites have the same brain volume after previously citing Lieberman and Tobias that such differences don't exist?

Oh..no, you didn't.

Looks like you're lying again.

 

Wise is a fraud.

His argumentation is nearly completely lifted from critical race theory, which is an application of Marxist class conflict theory to race relations. Whites are the bourgeois oppressor and other groups are the proletariat victims. I attempted to extract an explanation from his using Marxist theory to condemn whites on Twitter, and was met with insults and was then blocked.

I have no beloved IQ gap. The implications of the IQ gap are disastrous.

 

You've been shown the appropriate sources showing that there are no racial hierarchies in brain size and that brain size doesn't determine intelligence within the species normal range of variation in the first place. We had a debate over it. You lost. You will not admit this and continue to lie and insult but all the observers without a racist agenda can see that you don't have a leg to stand on.

Everyone who opposes racism is a fraud to racists. Wise is a respectable antiracist activist who knows what he is talking about.

 

Nevertheless, semantic shystery aside, Blacks have smaller brains than Whites and brain size correlates with intelligence.

This in itself isn't a strong line of evidence. The consistent world pattern of failure is however.

You can now disprove what I'm saying by calling it 'racist'.

 

Funny you're not answering my question whether Blacks and Whites have the same brain size. But hey, I'm getting a kick out of you discrediting yourself by standing by a study that completely contradicted what you, Tobias and Lieberman have all claimed.

You can listen to Wise claiming that he's more closely related to Black Africans than Europeans. Ie., this dimwit subscribes to the Lewontin fallacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQtBFLpGbDw

 

That statement isn't true. Variation in brain size between populations forms discordant geographic clines and brain size and intelligence show low correlations. Variation in brain size does not determine intelligence within the normal species range.

"World pattern of failure" is a subjective value judgment. Racial oppression, colonization and exploitation of other cultures is the cause of variation in nation wealth and standard of living between demographic groups. It has nothing to do with intelligence. IQ score variation is simply a byproduct of racial stratified societies where the learning and cultural environment is not equal.

 

How many times did he get refuted?

He already claimed brain volume doesn't correlate with intelligence by cherry-picking a study cited by the fraudulent Lieberman; he's claimed that modern twin studies only show a 0.50 correlation coefficient for intelligence (they actually show a far higher correlation coefficient); and he made dozens of posts disputing studies showing Whites having larger brain volume than Blacks only to now cite a study that completely contradicted his earlier position (that was also when he claimed this Beals study didn't show significant difference in brain size).

But hey, at least he's 'won' the debate. Our forum's greatest self declared winner.

 

I guess you don't comprehend very well.

Which study hasn't shown difference in Black and White brain volume?

Seems you're going back to lying again. Too bad we know your discredited arguments.

Nice job with the copy-paste and regurgitating what others have told you.

Btw, feel free proving/showing brain size and IQ 'show low correlations'.

 

Blah blah blah, you're lying, blah blah blah

You're like a broken record. Racists are boring.

Rushton's own research shows that cranial capacity and IQ have a 0.20 correlation which is low. The reported gap in brain size is also too low to explain the Black-White IQ gap as I told you before.

 

That's not what I asked in response to what you said, liar.

Which of the numerous studies on brain size and IQ have shown low correlation, as you claimed?

The correlation coefficient between brain size and IQ is double the correlation coefficient for cranial capacity and IQ.

That's also ignoring whether the standard deviation for brain size is right, or that the brain volume gap isn't actually higher based off the recent MRI cerebrum study.

Further edit: The MRI study showed a 97 cubic centimeter difference between Black/White cerebrum volume. Based off what study or studies did the author conclude that the standard deviation for within race brain size is 130 cubic centimeters?

 

Racial differences in brain size and intelligence start early in life. The National Collaborative Perinatal Project, to which we will return later, followed more than 35,000 American children from birth to age seven (Broman, Nichols, Shaugnessy & Kennedy, 1987). Analyses shown in Fig. 1 revealed that Asian Americans had larger average cranial capacities than Whites, and Whites had larger cranial capacities than Blacks at birth, 4 months, 1 year,and 7 years. The same differences were present among adults (Rushton, 1992). At 7 years of age, head circumference and IQ correlated r = 0.20 in all three races and Asian American children averaged an IQ of 110, White children an IQ of 102, and Black children an IQ of 90. Moreover, Asian Americans, who averaged the largest craniums, were the shortest in stature and the lightest in weight, whereas Blacks, who averaged the smallest craniums, were the tallest in stature and the heaviest in weight (see Fig. 2).



http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/sizematters.pdf

 

The testing is so people can have more reasonable expectations. People are limited by mental abilities just as they are by physical ones. Now if the tests are done that prove IQ is linked race by DNA and MRI testing, would you still not be upset by have education tax funds linked to student performance?

A good case of "elitism" is when Western countries bring in genetically selected athletes from East Africa so they can win Olympic medals.

 

Personally I feel that such testing would not adhere to what you believe, so the question can be be reversed and asked of you, would you stop trying to find intelligence differences based on race if comprehensive testing showed there was no link at all?

Like who?

 

I think this goes well beyond matters like education spending and athletic achievement. And it's not about elites 'creating' a racially-defined underclass either-- that underclass already exists, and it always has.

It's about fear. The Pioneer Fund/National Policy Institute folk driving all this race/intelligence (^)(^)(^)(^) abhor any legislated leveling of the playing field. And what they rightly view as the steady erosion of white hegemony just freaks them right out. They'd see these IQ differences based on race, if they could be empirically proven, as scientific justification for those of racially 'inferior' intelligence to be treated differently under the law.

There may indeed be some researchers out there, free of dodgy, agenda-driven financial support, who're in it purely 'to better understand the world we live in'. But they don't seem to be drawing the conclusions white supremacists would prefer.

 

This is just textbook Communist claptrap. Where is your evidence we are 'all equal'? Of course, nowhere. The evidence indicates very much the opposite.

 

You mean legislation in which East Asians are most discriminated?

Or are you trying to argue discriminating against Asians 'levels the playing field'?

 

Where is your evidence that I've claimed any such thing? I'm talking about equality under the law, which is something else entirely.

 

By 'legislated leveling of the playing field' I'm referring to things like government-sponsored affirmative action initiatives, which set out to offer redress for generations of systemic discrimination.

 

Show us how East Asians were more discriminated against than black folks in America.

 

Uh-huh. Feel free explaining how you're 'leveling the playing field' when Asians are discriminated most by affirmative action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States#Bias_against_Asians_and_whites

 

Did I claim that, or are you unable to read?

I said Asians are most discriminated by affirmative action.

Meaning, Asians are discriminated more than Whites.

Meaning, unless Asians held positions of power and discriminated against others, rather than being discriminated, how is discriminating them now 'leveling the playing field'?

That logic is incomprehensible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States#Bias_against_Asians_and_whites

Can you read and understand the above link, or do I have to work up patience slowly explaining this to you?

 

You gave a very limited, particular example of such 'discrimination' in your Wiki link. (Incidentally, it's customary to include a preposition like 'against' when using the term 'discriminated' or 'discrimination', to make your meaning clear.)

I wouldn't think Asians are being discriminated against, neither in your limited example, nor across the board, in anywhere near the number or to the degree that blacks were-- institutionally-- for many decades, under Jim Crow laws and their like.

 

Yeah, because blacks are so successful without a history of 'Jim Crow laws'.

 

Where is your evidence hereditarian researchers believe this? Are you just making up lies?

 

Actually, affirmative action in college admissions discriminates against Asians across the board. What makes you think the same policy only discriminates against Asians (where even Whites require lower standards than Asians) in the examples provided only?

How is your point regarding Jim Crow laws relevant? Did you read and comprehend the link? Did you not understand that Asians must have higher test scores and grades than even White students to have the same chance as Whites to gain acceptance to college/college programs where affirmative action is implemented?

How do you not understand that affirmative action is therefore not 'leveling a playing field' unless your argument is that the playing field for Asians is leveled in their favor - even compared to Whites?