Britain Is Bleeding

is that term hard to understand?

 

Its a little vague isn't it? What the hell is on these banners?

 

When I served as a Constable in the warm Tropic Island Nation of San Dorinde, I was riding my Motorcycle, into the Capital, at Kilometer 9, I wanted fried plantains and other unhealthy fried stuff, as I walked over, I heard a blood curdling scream as a nicely dressed elderly man hacked a hapless young lady with a machete, he then hacked another victim and sliced a third before I could yell out, Drop that machete !

As I approached and drew my sidearm, a classic series 70 1911, he turned and staggered haltingly towards me mumbling something unintelligible, a strange look on his face, kind of a cross between a sneer and seemed to be drooling, like a stroke victim might, he did not drop his machete and advanced on me.

Later on, people that knew him stated he was an active church goer and very kind hearted.

The best explanation was from a woman that knew him well, that the man had gotten bored, before committing those crimes.

 

if you believe an honest citizen of age should not be able to own certain type of firearm, you're a gun banner.

 

So you saying that brown and black people simply can't manage not to kill each other like white people can?

Russia and Mexico are both part of G20; both has significantly higher homicide rates than the US does. Japan and South Korea have almost no civilian guns, yet their intentional death rate is higher than that of the US; in South Korea's case, it's double that of the US. Regarding the UK, prior to 1996 (for multiple decades) they had 1/10 of the US homicide rate; now it's more like 1/5. Why did that ratio move in favor of the US after the UK implemented their draconian gun laws?

 

Actually, the government required that the owners of newly proscribed guns sell them to the government under penalty of law. That's what we call a ban and confiscation.
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I agree, forced gun turn in = confiscation in my opinion.

 

First answer; you do get LEOs of some ilk behind strict gun control.

What do I consider strict gun control ?

For example, N.Y.C. style gun control, you must first file an application with the Police in order to purchase and posses a shotgun or rifle and ammo, and register all firearms with Police.

Handguns is the same, you file an application, wait 6 months, fulfilling the need requirement for such as it relates to carry of a handgun and applicable training.
After paying large fees.

I jumped through those many hoops, and later on, as a LEO, observed how those laws never prevented criminals from obtaining guns.

It is a common delusion among citizens and LEOs alike, to pretend or imagine, that gun laws can actually prevent or reduce crime in any substantial or meaningful manner.

And yes, at age 52, I am considering a supervisory LE position, Brass, and other duties, based on past experience and performance.

 

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Were you in London during the real dangerous times in the 1970's and 80's when our terrorists had the word Republican in the title and got funding from the USA.....or are you talking about the modern form of terrorism where they kill less of us that in the past and yet we seem more frightened?

We're "bleeding" a lot less now than we did in the 1970's....did american get bored of funding the terrorists back then? ;0)

Funny isn't it, we're only supposed to be worried about the terrorists that you don't fund and yet a "global Terror Network" manages to kill less of us than a few dodgy Irishmen.

 

You know, that reminds me of a story that I once heard from @6Gunner!

By the way, San Dorinde?

 

Oh, gun banner as in someone who wants to ban guns! I thought you meant a banner as in object which promotes something!
Anyway, where do you draw the line on this? Anyone of age should be able to own a launcher?

 

Pretty much, yep. What can I say. Some cultures are just better than others. It really is that simple.

Gun homicide?

Where are you getting that from? The stats that I've just looked at do not suggest that at all. You don't mean NORTH Korea do you?

Are you saying that its now worse in the UK? Did you get that from the same place as the South Korea stat?

 

'I m going to make this a country not only for the privileged few like MPs but also for the peasants like you lot out there.' Theresa May's victory speech (paraphrased ). Since then . . .

Food banks, frequented by our hospital nurses
NHS on the brink
Roads crumbling nationwide with motor suspension-breaking potholes
Pensioners and children in extreme poverty ( "Thousands of people are struggling to make ends meet in the UK every day . . . An additional 700,000 UK children and pensioners have fallen into relative poverty - households with less than 60% the median income - over the past four years." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42218682 )
Tens of thousands sleeping on the streets
Prisons full to overflowing, and premature releases to make room for more inmates
Social services bureaucratised to the point of being useless
Care homes and nursing homes for the sick and elderly closing down left, right, and centre
The National Debt increasing by the day . . . and the list goes on.
A dumb police force which manipulates the crime resolution figures

And now this . . .

"The government has suspended a foreign aid project after a BBC Panorama investigation found taxpayers' cash was being diverted to extremists in Syria."

NB for 'extremists in Syria' read 'global jihadists'. But it doesn't say for how long it has been going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42217132

Who will RID us of these incompetent clowns? Step forward Nigel Farage - if only!

 

Just in New York CITY? Not the entire state? And do you consider this to be acceptable? If not, why not? I'm guessing the "large fees" would be one reason. However, one compromise I'm sure would be for fees to be dropped nationally across all states.

Yes, but how many mass shooters have been hardened career criminals?

I think that it is a common delusion among citizens to pretend or imagine that gun laws would be a totally perfect and simple solution. However, I also think that it is common delusion among gun owners that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that any changes to the current laws can achieve.

Well all the very best to you!

 

Yeah, and my point is that if we didn't do that, the banning of future sales would've been pointless as the guns already in the mix could be purchased illegally. If the US banned certain guns, criminals would still be able to get them. But those non criminals, the sort that commit mass shootings, would likely not be able to get them.

 

Interesting. Have you compared the demographic breakdown of the US to those developed nations?

You have to look at total homicide rate, due to the substitution effect. If the criminal simply substitutes one method for another nothing has been accomplished.

UNODC data. No, North Korea doesn't release that kind of information to the world.

No, I'm saying that the UK used to enjoy a much better ratio of homicide rate compared to the US than they do now. The data shows that the US has seen a much better decline in the homicide rate since 1996 than the UK has.

 

Which guns are those? Mass shooters have used semiautomatic rifles, semiautomatic shotguns, pump action shotguns, double barrel shotguns, pistols, revolvers, bolt action centerfire rifles and in the UK most recently, a bolt action 5 shot .22 rifle. We can't ban everything.

 

The country of El Salvador.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...lence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries

 

where do you think a rocket launcher is a firearm? and where do you think I mean children

I will spell it out for you

citizens of age, with a clean record ought to be able to freely own, buy, possess, use in legitimate manner, trade, sell, transport, carry ANY firearm. Firearm being a hand held device that uses gunpowder to shoot an inert projectile at any rate of fire

 

so who would be more likely disarmed by a gun ban

an honest citizen who has no intent to commit capital murder

or

someone with a currently clean record who premeditates mass murder and is willing to die to commit that mass murder or suffer the consequences of being convicted of mass murder?

 

I, like most British people, am well used to Americans talking total bullshit about almost anything. When they start on what they believe is your country, it really does grow bizarre, like Trump. Beats surrealism into a cocked hat. Thank you.

 

Lol, I will go pet my dog and lick my wounds....
What Larks !

 

No, you drew a conclusion from the study.

Your conclusion is flawed.

I do agree that the group studied, criminals who are in illegal possession of firearms, are at great risk.

It's not due to the gun though.

Like I said, do a study on Oak Ridge, Tennessee and get back to me.

Until then this study can ****.

 

I, like most American people, am well used to Brits talking total bullshit about almost anything. When they start on what they believe is your country, it really does grow bizarre.

 

Some warzone I expect.

What law?
There is no law prohibiting gun ownership here.

Certain types of guns are banned. Guns are not.

We have strong gun control compared to other countries in the world. Guns however are not banned.
Assault weapons and handguns are banned.

How many people would own machine guns and pistols today if they were not banned?
Bugger all judging by the amount who did before they were banned.

It hasn't been that long since they were banned. Why would assault weapon ownership have skyrocketed in the last 20 years?
What do you feel has changed?

What changed it here was a school massacre. A legal gun owner used pistols and an assault rifle to kill a load of children.

After our second gun massacre, they banned the type of weapons used outright.
This pissed a few people off and pleased everyone else,