Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

I do not know about Australia but in the US and Sweden the only consequence for breaching bail is risk of forfeiture of the bail money, being of course subject to immediate arrest, and detention until the end of the trial. (Additionally, some judges may not take kindly to it during sentencing, if there is a conviction)

 

Okay...so you too reckon the British Courts are 'kangaroo courts.' Well, the fact is, they aren't. Assange does what we all do in all judicial systems...go through the system ~ sausage meat in and sausages out, no matter who you are.

 

So.....to adopt your terms (which I do not accept as relevant, but) ~ Assange breached bail, was arrested, and is being detained until the end of the trial.

 

If it went according to what I described, the UK would have to hold an evidentiary hearing and decide if there was enough evidence to have him extradited to the US. It would probably not drag on for one year. Or maybe it would, depending on how slow the court process was in the UK.

That time spent being held in prison in the UK would also likely count towards whatever possible future sentence there might be from a US court.

I would really like to see an official from one country extradited to another country for falsely testifying in a criminal extradition hearing that took place in that other country, but I doubt it will ever happen.

 

Thank you for sharing your obvious subject matter expertise in depth with alot of critical thinking on this subject. It takes so much time and energy to compose well thought out arguments. You mentioned Trump and his regime and rightfully so. He is our POTUS. Yet....Presidents do not dictate policy on subjects like this.

Snowden struck with even a sharper, more focused, and yes unfortunately brief scalpel into our government's arrogance and Obama toed the line and threw him to the wolves openly when most Americans lauded him a hero. How did Snowden do it? To give up a nice fat middle six figure income? Living the good life in DC ( heavan on earth if affluent) He was young...after a short life of a good education, talent and experience and no where to go but up? Snowden somehow found a strength few if any of us have to give it all up. Cast his life to the winds. For us. To let all Americans know just how little the incredibly omnipotent feeling bureaucracy of the US for decades has valued our constitution and our rights. How and where did that conviction and selflessness come from?

I find Assange weaker and stronger at the same time than Snowden, I dont mean it in a bad way but I feel that Assange is well a Romantic. Basically a coffee shop super intellect with many good intentions that I believe more by accident than anything else created something amazing. It spun out of control and he rode the tempest feeling that day by day..week by week, month by month ,year by year pressure of knowing the strongest, most unforgiving, darkest, arrogant, and relentless country that has ever existed in mankind's history would never rest until we have him.

Those Podesta files? Not the pizza silliness..who cares about that but the other nuggets of rare nay non existant glimpses into flippant flat out indisputably genuine opinions of people in positions of not even close to the Executive branch candidly talking about and directing actions in the ME? IE Iraq and Syria that resulted in the loss of life of 100s of thousands, displacement of 10s of millions?

Sorry for long post but bottom line is this. England is an amazing country so much more enlightened and wiser than us across the pond in many ways but make no fkn mistake and believe it..England and America have deep and dark bureaucratic bonds that go back to the great wars. Only we two were never conquered and scattered to the winds. The bonds held and have been passed down

And if the US wants Assange? England? She will give him to us

I shudder sometimes at the unstoppable callous force that is my country that I love... policies and actions since mmm Vietnam. It's a long list of wrongdoings

Anyway great thread, best seen in a long time. Thanks for creating.

 

this is true, many innocent people in prison and many guilty people go free

 

Well, fact is...the date for all that was prior to, and has now been extended to the 25th February, 2020 but it was Assange who whined and wanted the initial date vacated, and all he was given was to the 25th February, 2010.

That has nothing to do with Assange.

 

The point is some officials in the US could present the court in the UK with false evidence or intentionally misleading testimony to get him extradited, and face no consequence.
I doubt that is likely, but a prosecutor misleadingly presenting evidence and taking extreme liberties to disingenuously try to piece things together to create a false picture is not unlikely.

Since international sanctions for malicious prosecution during extradition hearings is virtually unheard of, they could get away with it.
I would hope that during any evidentiary hearing they would completely do away with the foreign prosecutor altogether, but I doubt that. Usually the prosecutor is key in any court hearing, because judges do not want to expend the energy actually examining and piecing together all the facts for themselves.

 

Nope. Perjury is a very serious offence and said person, if suspected of perjury, would be vulnerable to extradition back to the UK to be dealt with there for that offence. You seem to go out of your way to devalue the Rule of Law in the UK, and I suspect that is linked to a belief that Assange is way above the Law. Mate, he isn't.

 

Prosecutors are very adept at conveying a lie without technically lying. They can paint you as the worst person in the world and make you look like a criminal without actually committing perjury. It's an art.

Keep in mind they have honed their skills over countless cases. They are there to win the game.

 

Well...sort of. However, Judges can see right through that bullshit. Have some faith in British Justice. It's been around successfully for a very very long time.

 

Why should we? He's already been sentenced to almost a year in prison. That in itself is an injustice. And they've told him they will likely hold him longer than that, because the extradition hearings are going to drag on for some time.

 

You misread my post. I did not say the British courts were Kangaroo courts.

 

"We" have no say in it. If the Lawyers for Assange cannot find a flaw, then that is that. And no amount of silly public hue and cry will make an ounce of difference. Grandstanding is the currency of Assange, and that has not worked out well for him, at all. Sit back, have a beer, and let British Justice run its course on extradition. Have faith in it. After all, it has stood the test of time for a very very long time.

Cheers.

 

Good conversation here with Draco and Allegoricalfact!

I would disagree on one small point--Manning, Assange and Wikileaks DID very much show the public something they didn't know by publishing the Collateral Murder video, at great personal expense to Manning and Assange.

Certain informed members of the public may have known that war crimes were being committed by the US and allies, but until that video came out, it was unconfirmed in many ways. That video made it perfectly clear. Without that video, we might still be in the dark.

 

Obviously, being Bush's Lawyer, you have no sense of proportionality, no moral compass at all. I've been informed of your character with this post. You are John Yoo.

 

Roger Walters. 'The US and UK are trying to kill Julian Assange.'

Warning to any who would like to say what those in charge do not want to hear. Also comments on the lack of informing the public in the UK.

 

Of course they are trying to kill Assange. It seems whatever we do now a days is motivated by revenge towards anyone who disobeys the masters of the world. Probably as an example to others. What a perfect tribute to our Godless society. Totalitarianism anyone?

Darkness reigns without the light,
with souls a-wandering in the night,
of pagan lusts, barbarity,
of malice, harm and cruelty.

We pray that there will be a day
when evil such, will slide away
and man finds that he's free once more
with hatred's gone as well as war.- Jeannette
​

 

When someone's avatar projects an image of patriotism, yet lacks the sensibilities of most Americans like Bush's lawyer, it's usually to cover up some other agenda. But then again, I'm a suspicious person.

 

You misread the post - I do not claim the British Courts are Kangaroo courts in the above sentence. The US is pressing the Britain for extradition of Assange to a US kangaroo court...

 

Can you think of a con politician that thinks assange should be protected by our constitution? Outside of perhaps rand paul?

The only way we can find out about criminality , corruption and the abuse of power by our govt involves whistle blowers giving the evidence to publishers .

Of course when govt becomes corrupt or lies people like Assange ]are a threat to those bastards. Of course our cconstitution should protect6us from such a govt but that happens only when our people in power adhere to the constitution
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Our system and the ruling elites seem to find ways around the constitution. When it needs to cover its own arses.

 

That is true, but my comment was that he is entitled to a jury trial if or when he is extradited to the US.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/extradition

 

As hillary was reported to have asked while he was in the embassy..."can't we just drone him?"

Imo , people who want Assange to be in prison or killed really do deserve to live in north Korea. For there is little difference between their thinking and that mentality of dictatorship.

Assange published our military gunning down journalists in the ME. P

This is why he is in trouble with our govt. And now the dems hate him because he published dnc emails that showed the corruption of the dnc and clinton as she ran for president and assange is blamed for the corruption of the dems that helped in her loss.

 

I mostly agree, though I find it odd that during the Swedish rape controversy the US was saying "what? Me? No! I would never seek extradition, this is about his rape in Sweden!"

Then suddenly drops extradition once he's out.

 

Did the US actually say they were not wishing to extradite or did they simply leave options open? Obviously, they held the Grand Jury card very close to their chest.