Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

I don’t agree.
Ecuador was complaining about his hygiene for a while.
They also complained about him not cleaning up after his cat.
And when he was arrested he looked like he didn’t take a shower for like a month.

I really doubt Ecuador would smear him for no reason.

 

Did you see him on the day he was arrested? He looked like his last shower was like a month ago.
He looks like he is loosing it.
Smearing poop on the wall doesn’t seem that far stretched possibility.

 

We've discussed this already. (in another thread)
You'd get really lethargic too if you were trapped in a room for 7 years and didn't get much walking.

I know I would.

I don't think we can blame him too much if his mental health deteriorated.

I know hygiene sounds like an easy thing, but then again few of us have ever actually been in that situation. NASA did some psychological experiments with volunteers trapped in small simulated capsules for two years, and being in isolation, and many of the volunteers started displaying mental health issues or going crazy.

 

So, you agree, the possibility of Asange smearing feces on walls is a real possibility.
That’s the only point I was making.

He just needs to spend another 7-10 years in American prison and he will be alright. Bubba boyfriend will teach him how to protect the glory hole.
Assange definitely needs an attitude adjustment. If he hurried up he will be out by the time he is 60 - having spend 7 years at embassy for being a whiney biatch and another 7-10 year for his real crimes.
After that he will be kicked out of this country like a used condom and he can come back home to Australia.

 

Ironically it was a condom that was indirectly responsible for him hiding in that embassy in the first place.

(One of the Swedish women accusers claimed he slipped off his condom before he went inside her, which constituted a sexual violation because she was not aware the condom was off until it was too late and intercourse had already begun. Assange was initially seeking refuge in the embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he feared he would be more vulnerable to extradition to the US)

 

Incorrect. He has been convicted of breaching bail conditions. That is why he is prison now.

 

Something that shouldn't be a crime. (Ironically it is not in both the US and Sweden)

Geese, this whole thing is so ironic. None of the three crimes he has been accused of ("sexual violation" in Sweden, "espionage" in the US, breaching bail in the UK) would be a crime in the other two countries. It seems Assange has had extremely bad luck. And this is the sort of problem that can exist when there are extradition agreements between different separate countries, each of them with their own unique laws.

(If you breech bail in the US or Sweden, bail is simply revoked and you go back to jail, or your bail money can be forfeited if it ends up costing the authorities a big investigation to catch you again. They don't prosecute you after the fact for it)

 

No, that is not why he is in jail now. That sentence in any case was way beyond what any normal person would get - pretty much the maximum possible but he finished serving it some time ago.

Now he is just being held without trial so that the US can extradite him and continue this torture to death which so many sick citizens of the West want because he reported on the disgusting deliberate killing of civilians the US army were doing and of the corruption endemic in the US political system through the example of Hilary Clinton. My God some people seek a heinous revenge for people speaking the truth. That is the world we live in after the death of Western Liberal Democracy.

 

That's not quite true. The police took him into custody and hauled him outside the embassy in April 2009. So it has only been 7 months so far he has been in jail. He has another 5 months until the sentence for breeching bail would be up.

 

When he reported against Hillary Clinton and the misdeeds that went on under the Obama Administration, the US media turned against him.
It was very Orwellian.

There is no intellectual genuinity about this.
(I know genuinity is not a real word, but I can't think of a more apt word than that)

 

This whole thing really irks me, and that is a bit of an understatement.
These people deserve to burn and burn in hell, and (assuming if I had permission from God) I don't think I'd hesitate to give them a helpful push into the flaming pit.

What's more remarkable is that this controversy does not divide along the normal Conservative/Progressive partisan political lines either. It doesn't seem to be a "Right" or "Left" issue. It's something else.

The Left was perfectly willing to betray him when they felt he turned against the Obama Administration and Hillary's reelection. Of course plenty people in the Conservative ranks who wanted blood long before that. War hawks who, if actual truth be told, were angry about the truth getting in the way of their pro-war machinations in Iraq.

 

Yes it is why he is in jail now. For breaching bail, on the 1st May, 2019, he was sentenced to 50 weeks imprisonment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Julian_Assange

 

So being perpetually stuck in that embassy (in what amounted to virtual solitary confinement) isn't enough for you. You want him to spend another 7-10 years in prison.

Why do you think he would have an expectation of a fair trial in the US again?

 

Breeching bail that was issued based on an extradition request from another country, based on allegations that would not even have constituted a crime in the UK.

There was not even a true justified reason for sentencing him. He had already suffered more than enough self-imposed punishment in the embassy.

Even in the case of defendants charged with murder, they are most often only sentenced to 6 months for breeching bail in the UK.

I think you can all excuse me if I say this whole thing is F*cked up.

 

Not sure if being a famous guy in an embassy is "solitary confinement"
You bias is showing.
I would try Assange for every person who died with the release of
documents naming them to their enemies. Life sentence for each
death.

 

Very debatable. What differentiates the Democrats and the Republicans who do not support Trump from Trump and his Christian Zionist team is that they do not support at least openly support, racism, homophobia, misogyny, and do not deny the work of scientists. Like it or not what Trump supports is the criteria for fascism with the big first one the hatred of 'the other'. I am unaware of this but he may have had a soft spot for gays at one time - he did after all joke about Pence wanting to hang all gays, but regardless of that, that is what he has been stirring up since he went for office and these things are not what the Democrats and others who do not follow Trump support. Whatever you like about Trump that is his biggest card. That and his narcissistic desire for power. I would say that that narcissistic desire for power is shared by Boris Johnson who does not care what he is standing for - just wants to be PM. Both of them have inherent in this the desire to be Dictator.

I heard just last week that on the day before the election Trumps team sent to many black American's information on Clinton suggesting her racism so they clearly are aware of the power of racism.

I like Jimmy Dore. Yes, the American genuine left have been extremely critical of the Democrats creating what they see as a false picture of Trump and the Russians and by that wasting all genuine opportunity to genuinely criticise Trump. (the Ukraine connection may be different)

The leading Democrats are bought people. Your political system is corrupt. That unfortunately does not in my mind make it better bringing in someone who would bring overt fascism to the US.....but what I would say Trump has done is brought out into the open a heck of a lot of what is and has been going on in the US. What is deeply concerning about it is that he has as his main spot - hatred of the other. That being said to a large extent Trump answers to the extreme Christian Zionists and they would like a Christian Fascist US. Frankly the only hope I see for the US is in the new socially democrat Democrats and of course people like Jimmy Dore who are now working for Russia! You are a Plutocracy and have been for a long time - certainly since Regan. The only question is where you are moving from here. Given your economic system can no longer serve you it most likely will be some form of overt repression as seen through Fascism.

Regan/Thatcher took away all the regulations from Capitalism and allowed Monopolies. Democracy cannot coexist with Capitalism unless the Government keeps it regulated to ensure the most wealthy do not get so much power that it is them, not the people that they serve. (The US is also seeing the result of this in its refusal to address the now emergency situation with the climate which could result in human extinction.)

We are basically back to the kind of situation we had when we had aristocracies with a few people and it is an ever fewer people owning almost all the wealth and with that all the power.

Fair enough. However where I would disagree with you would be that if what you say above were true then Trump would be absolutely central to your Deep State. He is not the answer to avoid it.

 

There's no evidence that shows a clear link between the release of the information and a specific death.

Even if there were, there is an argument that the public right to know, and an informed democratic process, outweighed the damage.

Would you be okay with the government waging a secret war if they thought it might help minimize casualties? Does utility and saving lives outweigh the Democratic process and the people's right to take a war into account when deciding their leaders?

 

No he doesn't. In the UK you serve half your time only unless you do something awful in jail. His term was up a month or so ago. The decision was made was to keep him in jail so that they could let the US extradite him. - the excuse being that he would not hang around for this to be done.

 

That's not the law though, that's by convention.

I think the law (unfair as it is) allows them to do what they are doing.

For a normal person who breeched bail over a relatively minor sexual consent issue that took place in the course of a consensual sexual relationship, I doubt they'd even be sentenced to 6 months.
Why are they treating this as such a serious crime? I think that alone should be telling.

 

Assange was (and still is) competently legally represented. He lodged no appeal against his current term of imprisonment. All above board and routine in the administration of justice in the UK. Assange is like everyone else......he was in the UK and subject to its judicial system, like everyone else. What he 'suffered' in the Embassy was of hos own making 100% from goa to whoa. I do not understand why people want him to be given special treatment.

If the bloke had not hidden out, he likely now would be a free man with all these troubles behind him. Nah.....where he is now is all his own doing, and that is that.

 

Karenatsu. What I am reporting is reality. Assange has finished his sentence for 'jumping bail'. This has been reported in the papers. That sentence is over. He is being kept in jail for one reason only. So that they can extradite him to the US.

 

I'd hardly call a 1 year sentence for breeching bail "routine" in the UK, especially for what the accusations were in the first place.

Not only that but don't forget it was him who had surrendered himself to police in the first place. And even in the embassy the authorities knew exactly where he was the whole time.
It's not like the police would have to expend resources catching him all over again, which is the main purpose of this bail breeching criminal law.

 

Nah. He was given bail. That meant he was obliged to turn up to front the extradition to Sweden. He wilfully breached bail, and it matters NOT a jot what offence you are 'bailed' upon. The Court has given you freedom. Assange, typically, gave the Court the bird and hid out in that Embassy. Que sera sera.

 

I'll take your word for that stuff about surrendering himself. The other side of that same coin is...if a Court grants you the privilege of bail after surrendering, you give that Court the bird at you own peril.

 

Do you have a link for this?

I don't see how that could be the case, he has not actually been held in jail for a total of over 55 weeks.