Let's Call Trumpism what it is - American Fascism.

Oh, no. no no...
YOU made the claim, and so the burden of proof on YOU - that is YOU must "do the work".

YOU must demonstrate the "xenophobic natiomnalism" you claim.
YOU must demonstrate the "domestic authoritarianism" you claim.
If you cannot, then the augments (above) that you believe support your premise ("trumpism" = American fascism) fail, and your premise collapses.

As someone who claims to argue in good faith, how do you not know this?

 

Lol...the fact that he is an incompetent fascist was our saving grace this time. Thank God that everything trump touches turns to ****.

 

.... said no one who knows what "fascism" means.
Lol

 

Standard for who? Lefties?

 

Fascism
A far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

And now we know why you had to make up a definition - made funnier by the fact you cannot demonstrate the conditions you use to define as fascism actually exist.

 

The Dems are not ignoring it. The problem is that Fascism is popular. Trump was probably the worst possible salesman for it, and yet he still almost won re-election. That is not the Dems' fault. The Dems do have a part-share in the responsibility for the rise of Corporacracy that has led to the populist revolt that has given an opportunity for Fascist Demagogues. But I am constrained to remind you that it wasn't the Democrats who actually fronted a Fascist and let him take over their party...

 

Given that Trump isn't a fascist - using either your definition or the actual definition - you're right.

 

How is he not?

 

Bless your heart.
He, his actions, and his proposed actions do not fit the definition (see post 255).
Feel free to demonstrate otherwise.

 

How aren't they, given Biden is a corporatist that will only further encourage Trumpster fascism?

The Dems gave us Trump with their efforts over Clinton. When will they admit they aren't fit for purpose? It better be quick. Next time will be full blown fascism (and they will have ensured it).

The extreme centrists pretending to be different from the republicans have destroyed your democracy. Not Trump. He's a mere symptom

 

How does that, standard definition contradict the one I'm making? The definition you've invoked here pertains to the end-stage of Fascist governance, but what characterizes Fascism both in history and in theory, is that it begins as a subversion of forms of popular self-government of the nation-state. Fascist forces exploit those forms to supplant democracy with some form of autocracy. This can only happen, at least in its early stages, at the behest of the people - the people who willingly vote for a Demagogue. It's worth pointing out also, that the Total State is not the inevitable result of Fascism; it can simply terminate in a highly kleptocratic and illiberal state.

The Republican party before Trump had clearly transformed into a party-before-country Faction; it had engaged in various extra-Constitutional actions (like government Shutdowns, unilateral assertions of the right to strip people of basic civil rights by labeling them "enemy combatants," unilateral assertions of the ability to violate the 8th Amendment, voter-suppression of various kinds, a trumped-up effort to reverse a election through impeachment, an attempt to blackmail a president into submitting to their policy-preferences by hold the nation's fisc hostage, the theft of a SC seat, etc.) that destroyed the good-faith norms of political competition, for the sake of increasing their own power. The whole while they were engaged in the kind of egregious self-dealing on matters of policy, that eviscerated the working class (ironically enough, one of their main pillars of electoral support) and sowed the kind of popular discontent that gave an opening for a race-baiting Demagogue to take advantage by stepping into the breach. He seized control of a corrupt party - a party that had devolved into nothing but a Faction (in the Founders' sense) - and that Faction, already corrupt, now has been reduced to his cronies - serving at every turn to enable his personal corruption and abuse of the rule of law.

The Demagogue was beaten, luckily, in this past election. If he had not been he would have been in a political position to start defying the Courts, and at that point only the intervention of the military could have served as a check on his power.

 

I said your definition is self-serving and incomplete, the former following from the latter, because you know the full, actual, definition of fascism cannot, with any intellectual honesty whatsoever, be applied to "trumpism".

All of this is beside the point as you cannot demonstrate the "xenophobic natiomnalism" or "domestic authoritarianism" you claim.
As such, your the augments (above) that you believe support your premise ("trumpism" = American fascism) fail, and your premise collapses.

 

I'm not going to disagree with you, there. But the fact that the country has permanent lean to the Right, is not the Democrats' fault. We simply always have to play on a field tilted against us, and we have to cater to those centrists. If we didn't, things would be even worse.

 

Look at you, trying desperately to avoid your burden of proof.

In the adult world, when people make claims -- that is, state a premise and lay out arguments to support it - they are expected to demonstrate their arguments to be true.
As you refuse to do so, it paints an effective picture of the world you live in.

TLDR:
All you offer is a petulant and pre-pubescent "I'm right, prove me wrong!"

So... when you think you can demonstrate the "xenophobic natiomnalism" or "domestic authoritarianism" you claim, let us know.
Until then, your the augments (above) that you believe support your premise ("trumpism" = American fascism) fail, and your premise collapses.

 

I am talking about ideologues.

Ideologues always maintain that their enemy is the enemy of the people.

 

And when people are done destroying statues, they can burn books so people won't know the correct definition of fascist. That way, liberals can claim they oppose fascism while pushing for bigger government.

 

Obama didn't stir up division ..... LOL

 

Let's hear your good-faith example of Trump xenophobia.

 

You're the one who looks right silly at this point, MP. You haven't been able to provide a single example of Trump xenophobia.

 

Yes, it is.

The open abuse of and contempt for 50% of the population, sealed the deal.

 

I was with you, until your last sentence. You realize that the globalist/internationalist mentality is what the current Brexit/Trumpist/Far Right Nationalist surge is specifically opposing, right?

Though I apologize for my seeming indolence, in re-purposing a previous post (addressed to a poster who's argument was that the U.N.'s agenda was to promote socialism/communism), I think this sums up my point as well as if I were to start from scratch.

Though that last sentence, obviously, doesn't apply here, I didn't cut the post short because I wanted to keep the WTO links. I suppose I could have deleted the tail-end of that post & then re-quoted just the links. It didn't seem, though, to be worth that much trouble.

 

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

 

What an interestingly small grasp you have on who opposes Globalism - even going so far as to suggest it's a 'far Right' thing. You conveniently left out a vast number of environmental activists (you can't be both opposed to climate change, and for globalism), small-holder collectivists, primary societies, agrarian societies, anarchic nationalists, the apolitical, Libertarians, Communists, and general patriots. The list is actually very long, so I suspect you've never thought this stuff through. Perhaps you've just accepted the quasi-religious MSM pap?

 

But so do other authoritarian leaders, whose only ideology is, "Me first!"

 

All leaders are essentially egoists, so no revelation there.

Let's focus on the people .. the voters. That's where you REALLY don't want ideology.