Let's Call Trumpism what it is - American Fascism.

The meaning of "fascist" and "Fascism" in my view has not been accurate. Hence my revision. And yes, liberals can oppose Fascism while pushing for bigger government - it's what we are doing right now.

 

He didn't.

 

Disregarding that you don't seem to understand what an ideologue is, it is beside the point, as it doesn't refute my point that Trump is the ONLY president in history to assert that the press is the enemy of the people.

 

The reality is that Trump made America stronger, more prosperous, more free and more just. And in so doing, compromised no ones constitutional rights or liberties. He also helped make the middle east more secure and did not start new wars like former Presidents. Your fascism is pure fantasy.

 

"The Muslim ban" (not least the way it was implemented), "shithole countries," "these people [the Squad] should go back to their own countries," kids in cages, attacking even legal immigration, etc. etc. ETC.

 

I love it, since he was elected, the fascists have been been blaming the election of Trump (a fascist) on Hillary. Sad!

You are Deplorables because you are fascists, demonstrated by your support of one and your vote. Own it. You can't blame us for it.

 

When you have to redefine a word to make a point, its a sure sign you know your point is unsound.

 

Xeno: Foreign or different people and things
Phobia: Irrational fear
Thus:
None of things things you list here are xenophobic in nature.

 

People who support actual fascism, or people who support your made up version of fascism?

 

Why do you make claims you know you cannot soundly support?

 

Give us the specifics of the xenophobia.

*Islam is a religion, so that's not it.

*'Sh!thole' refers to the material conditions of many nations, so that can't be it either.

*The squad come from different backgrounds, and nothing was said specifically about any of those backgrounds.

*Who built the cages? And what do cages have to do with xenophobia?

*Which legal immigrants has Trump attacked? Be very specific about the incidents, and what he did or said.

 

I made the claim, and I provided reasons for making it. That fulfills my obligation to prove my position. Now it's your responsibility to counter with a substantive objection to what I say. That's the burden of rejoinder. If you fulfill that, then I have to respond. In an informal debate like the one we're in, it's the readers of the thread who will decide if I made my case.

 

Eh, it's reasonable to call someone who (repeatedly) votes for a fascist, a fascist.

 

And yet, you cannot demonstrate the "xenophobic natiomnalism" or "domestic authoritarianism" you claim.
Until then, your the augments (above) that you believe support your premise ("trumpism" = American fascism) fail, and your premise collapses.

 

Now all you have to do is demonstrate that to actually be the case.
Which you know you can't.

 

Trump is a result of Progressive white elites hijacking the Left. There's only so much the working stiff is going to tolerate before they find a way to kick back. They found a way.

I may be deplorable, but I'm no Trump fan. I'm about the furthest Left of all PF members, but since you don't appear to know that I'll let this one pass with a point and laugh (at you).

 

I could go into it, but it's self-evident to me. If you're denying what is self-evident you are either not being sincere, or we are operating from such fundamentally different first principles, that we can never come to agreement on these matters. Which makes sense enough - why should Authoritarians like yourself and Liberals like myself agree on anything?

 

Because you don't understand the definition of "xenophobia", or because you aren't intellectually honest enough to admit the examples you provided do not fit the definition?

 

1) Sure, sure. You just can't go into it right now. We get it . Alternatively, you could admit that it's the lust to manifest racism which compels folk to construct phantoms.

2) There is nothing self-evident about plain talk which has nothing AT ALL to do with race. If it's self-evident to you, then I submit that you have a problem. And I have no doubt we're operating from fundamentally different principles. I'm guessing you're white, for starters.

3) You're liberal like I'm the King of Norway. Leftists haven't been liberal since 2005.

 

Demonstrate that Trump is a fascist? That's not difficult. An invidious nationalist? Check. A racist? Check. Equates dissent and personal disloyalty with disloyalty to the state? Check. Views dominance-displays (both domestically and internationally) as the main exercise of political power? Check. Claims both that his authority is "total" and that he is above any legal form of accountability? Check. Attempts to use the police power of the state to punish his political opponents? Check (Technically, some of these are characteristics of a tyrant, not only a fascist).

 

For example: impugning an entire class of immigrants because of their religion is xenophobic. I believe his exact expression was "Muslim countries." He's also referred to such countries as "shitholes." Seems pretty self-evidently xenophobic to most people who are not Fascist boot-lickers.

 

You simply claiming (x) and (y) does not make them true.
This is why I asked that you --demonstrate-- Trump to be a fascist.
And you can't.

You cannot demonstrate the "xenophobic natiomnalism" or "domestic authoritarianism" you claim.
Until then, your the augments (above) that you believe support your premise ("trumpism" = American fascism) fail, and your premise collapses.

 

Did you vote for him or not?

 

Because you don't understand the definition of "xenophobia", or because you aren't intellectually honest enough to admit the examples you provided do not fit the definition?

 

Eh, I'm simply appealing to the plain facts, or the most obvious reading of the facts. If you deny that Trump is a xenophobe, racist, etc., I'd say that you're the one making the novel claim and you have to make the case.