Let's Call Trumpism what it is - American Fascism.

Our election system is a joke. When you cannot verify what happens between the inputs and the outputs there is zero integrity. That is a simple fact that needs no lies. In fact democrats previously complained about it until this election.

 

Translation:
You know you have no hope whatsoever of meaningfully addressing the criticisms of your premise.
This is what happens when you make up the meanings of words to suit your purpose, and then still get it wrong.

 

I don't think authoritarianism is or was popular.

 

Well, we do not have "an" election system, but 50 of them. And it's been long understood that in every election (and probably in every state, not just the toss-up states) there are inefficiencies and minor tabulating errors (especially when there is a rush to get all the results finalized mere days after election-day itself). This is only cause for alarm or scandalous, if you have some utopian ideal of how elections are conducted. Sorry, but they're conducted by human beings.

 

In other words, you change definitions to fit your personal opinion. I don't embrace authoritarianism or engage in discussions with those who make claims calling for the operation of the mind.

 

This election had a massive unrequested mail out ballot experiment along with unverifiable counting software and with count watchers not being allowed to watch. If you think human beings are not capable of voter fraud, then you are only fooling yourself.

 

I don't care much to address the OP. He's someone who's still very much caught in the Liberal words, that do not match the reality and never will match reality. It's a party that literally cannot serve the Republic, because its vision is based on something that doesn't exist. For that reason alone, there's necessity to a huge upheaval of our politic body.

However, I do want to address your basic point here because I think it's worth addressing. EVERY system is 'authoritarian' to the extent that it claims authority. In fact, if a governing system doesn't claim authority it lacks legitimacy(TedtheShed, an anarchist fellow on this forum) would strongly agree with me on that fact.(because anarchy is exactly the opposite of a government because it doesn't assert authority.)

What differs from Fascism, as opposed to say other systems is that it seeks to organize the structure of the political state, rather than have the state be left to its own whims and devices. This can be accomplished with social and moral law, but it takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of standing.

So Fascism opts for an easier and far less difficult path, by using the State itself as the moral standard and the pillar for society to be governed by and to protect. If the State, which is our home is something we prioritize, then we can summon a common pillar of understanding through that. That's what Fascism is, in a nutshell.

Everything else, is historian revision that's either inaccurate or grossly cherrypicking.

 

On the contrary, I think that autocratic forms of government lasted as long as they did in world history, because many people felt just fine with the arrangement of certain people being born to rule. It's worth pointing out that the US War of Independence was nearly a civil war, just because they found dynastic rule acceptable. And the French Revolution against the monarchy did become a civil war. There is a reason, grounded in human nature, that the Founders were skeptical of the long-term prospects for popular self-government in the United States. In more recent history there are depressingly many examples of countries that were once free but just gave up and gave in to Strongmen. It all comes down to the fact that Authoritarianism has a universal appeal; in every country, it has a popular political constituency.

 

Yeah, this is just hysterical. Voting by mail has already become popular, and the circumstances of the pandemic made it much more so. If it was an experiment, the evidence shows that the experiment worked (one of the most secure elections in our history, according to the DHS). There is a difference between people wanting to commit voter fraud, and being capable of getting away with it - especially on a large enough scale to sway an election. But, Alas - Conspiracy-thinking is about as popular as Fascism is (and that's not a coincidence).

 

No, I've adapted definitions to better fit with the actual situation we're facing. Words need to track reality and the truth.

 

I love it. In one post, you demonstrated why the forum has a CT section and an ignore feature.

 

For the uneducated, voting by requested absentee ballot is not the same as unrequested mass mail out ballots based on dirty voter registration rolls. There are witnesses both in the counting rooms and one from Dominion that saw people running the same ballots through up to 10 times. The Dominion IT worker said that the software on one screen showed that votes were tabulated multiple times.

 

In other words, you -do- change definitions to fit your personal opinion.
Good of you to admit it.

 

These kinds of anecdotes, again, are not surprising in an election with 150 million + votes. Go to deep-red and deep-blue states, and you'll get similar stories. And you don't seem to grasp the irony of pointing to "fraud" which you can describe happening in such detail, from mere days ago.

 

Very big of you to admit. Reality is only what 2 people agree on.

 

Certain States experimenting with mass unrequested mail out ballots for the first time is anecdotal?

 

Since you have the discriminating sensibilities to appreciate my, involuntarily-collaborative, poem (in the sabotaging the transition thread), I'm sure you also understand the distinction made in my post you quoted, between the idea of Trump having a definitive plan, vs. just trying to lay the groundwork-- or destabilize the groundwork-- for any # of potentially advantageous eventualities to manifest. I'm therefore only retracing that line, here, for the record.

But, to address your question, I was, honestly, surprised; though I realize I shouldn't be. I suppose, since I avoid, "demonizing," entire groups, that when certain individuals take the expected acts of bad faith to such extent that they're just over the line-- as slack as that line already is-- it does take me a little bit of time to recalibrate.

 

I was speaking of the US in recent years.

 

1) And so he should. There is no place in the military for the mentally ill. What do you want? An effective military machine (assuming you're pro-military for the sake of the argument)? Or a compromised sanctuary for a miniscule number of misfits? And why in hell would you be okay with tax payer funding of vanity medical care? Clearly you're a flaming capitalist, if that's something you take no issue with. The working class bloke dying of cancer can get knotted, because Johnny "I'm a girl" Soldier needs his oestrogen shots.

2) So which of the many iterations of people with some claim to Islam, was Trump discriminating against? And how exactly did he discriminate against that particular person/people? You failed to specify.

3) If you genuinely can't see that the Progressive Left are the real White Supremacists, I'm legitimately sorry for you. You're in deep.

4) Dude, I'm virtually an anarchist. At the very least I'm a libertarian like most contemporary (bonafide) Commies. You're rudderless in the proper ocean, ain't ya. All these variables and depths they never told you about in "Sunday School" politics. Time to cancel your subscription to The Guardian.

 

Just to put a finer point on my last response, if it had been Trump or McConnell, for instance, who'd done it, then no, this would not have surprised me in the least. I just have not, so far, extended my view of those, who I have seen with my own eyes, to be w/o scruples, to low-level Republicans in general. Though, no doubt, there are some ready to disregard their Constitutional oaths, & good-faith commitments of their positions, God help us if this ever comes to apply to Republican officials, en masse.

There have been incidents, in which I find assurance, of Republicans in office doing the right thing, as well, such as in the case of Georgia's Republican Secretary of State, who Lindsey Graham was unsuccessful in trying to compromise.

 

Some of those soldiers have served with distinction. Your opinion that transgender people are sick (or depraved, what have you) says more about your actual worldview, than any shallow identity you have as an "anarchist."

The way Trumpists speak of Muslims, trades in the conflation of ethnic and religious identity. In Trump's mind, and the mind of most of his lemmings, to be Muslim is to be Arab and vice versa. If they were informed that they were wrong, they would simply advert to the assertion that all Muslims (persisting in their conflation of ethnic and religious identity) were "nonwhite." The main point is that Trumpism is essentially xenophobic, relentlessly "othering" nonwhites - to the point that even American nonwhites are by implication viewed as not really American.

LOL, now this is the kind of irony that I come to this forum for! Thanks dude, got my chuckle for today.

 

1) Irrelevant. They can be Jesus Christ himself ... up until they become mentally ill, then they're just another mentally ill person. It's not 'my opinion' that these people are mentally ill, it's the reality. Gender dysphoria is a SYMPTOM of untreated mental illness. The very high depression and suicidal ideation rates (and successes) are the end result of that untreated disease state.

2) You're conflating it, so it's in your mind. You associate Islam with brown people, and regard them as hostage to those beliefs. You are making it about race instead of behaviour and culture (ever been to Bosnia? Muslim minority areas of China? met a white convert?). Probably a good time to ask yourself why you view things that way. Why brown skin is such a heavy burden on your thought processes.

3) I have faith that the truth of Left racism is going to niggle away at you. Your white saviour dread of inadvertently being seen to be racist will force you to start asking questions.

 

Yeah, it's your opinion. A very bigoted opinion.

Looks to me like a hit a nerve...

Lordy, you are just reeking with the Ressentiment, aren't you? "White saviour dread," LOL, you are hitting all your marks. Sure, I'm a little bit racist. It's hard to avoid, given the structures we're born into. That doesn't give us an excuse not to recognize it and to try to make the world better.

 

The point is that they aren't centrists. That's the myth courted within both the Democrat Party in the US and Labour Party in the UK. They are neoliberals and therefore, by definition, pursuing right wing economic ideals. They have ensured growing inequalities and empowered populism.

I'll simplify it down further: Anyone voting for the likes of Biden is voting for future fascism. When the corporate lackey fails to deliver, it will only strengthen the populist reaction.

 

Like it or not, the corporate lackey got 5 million more votes than his Fascist opponent, and it is likely that only Biden could have won against Trump. Like it or not, the American people are just more conservative than their North Atlantic brethren. After Obama, the electorate gave Trump united gov't. After everything that happened under Trump, the electorate gave moderate Joe only a mixed mandate. As you suggest, the nihilists of the GOP are likely to try to strangle Biden's Admin. the same way they did Obama's, and hope to ride the frustration of a dimwit-electorate back into power in 4 years. Continued inaction on crying national needs could well benefit a Demagogue more talented (and much more dangerous) than Trump. All I can have is hope that the electorate will Wake Up, because the Democrats don't seem to have the talent to be able to effectively communicate to the people, the plight of America under Republican rule.