Let's Call Trumpism what it is - American Fascism.

The truth- is far from what the left represents it to be; to the point of being diametrically opposite.
We often ask ourselves how they are unable to go there, unable to speak truth, why they seek to demonize everything that opposes them- and the answer is simple.
Their beliefs can't stand up to truth. People who supported Trump (and I did/do) never saw Trump valuable as a man or ruler- but valuable for his leadership to principle. That is indeed the factor that struck fear into the left.... Principle. Just as actions speak truth and words speak lies, they fear the truth of principle. Principles of justice, of right and wrong, of law and order, of freedom, even those of the constitution on which this nation is based. IF Trump was the great evil... then there should be order now, but the attacks on truth and the disorder are even greater. It is this leadership that is pushing fascism and pursuing dictatorial power. The facade of fighting fascism by attacking others simply disguises the act of grabbing such power for themselves,.

A true leader doesn't decide where people should go- his service is to GUIDE, to lead them to their own chosen goal safely. The people pick the objective, the leader only navigates the path.
That is precisely what Trump did.

The left- and the Biden group (puppet and puppeteers) very specifically want to force people to go not only the the destination they direct, but by the route and fashions they dictate.
That proves THEY are the fascists, not Trump. They seek to hide that by reversing the labeling of who is doing what. Denial, double-speak, distraction, diversion- in everything.

Trump was never a permanent fixture of any kind. At most, a leader for 8 years, with the objective declared and then pursued- of meeting the goals the people elected him to reach.

Those include- America first. WHY? Because that is OUR country. The English, the French, the Haitians- everybody , all over the world, have THEIR own country, and that is what they should care for first.
It's not injustice to attend to your own obligations first- it's your DUTY. It's the same as natural law has been since the beginning of time- YOU are the person put here to manage your life. The people in your family work together to manage their lives. The same is true of a community and of a nation- BUT THE ORDER STARTS AT HOME. IF America is strong, it can help others- and no nation has ever done more. IF America is weak, it can't help anyone. Americans MUST put America first. Self-preservation- and every citizen of every country has the same obligation. It is the WISE and proper thing to do, and it's damn sure not evil or harmful to others. That strength also gives us individual freedom.... and when actions are taken to destroy that freedom, there is no question that those behind those actions intend to diminish you as a person, to take your freedom and strength away from you- because they fear it.

Trump supported the values that made America great. Responsibility, strength, courage, along with generosity and respect for those who build and keep those values. Black/white/hispanic- he honored all people who did so without concern for color. It is those values that caused people to endorse Trump- not the man's personality. Not his flaws or faults, but what the was doing FOR America.

What Biden and the left is doing- has absolutely nothing to do with those values. In fact, they seem to abhor those values. The actions of these people would be described as what they are doing TO, not FOR America- and it's all ugly. It is all without morals, without honesty, without integrity, without justice- WITHOUT anything of value.

No mentally healthy person want's to go where the left is taking us NOT ONE.
Thus- the real "fascists", the real mis-leaders who call out and attack the people who call them out with truth... are on the left. It's trickled down to the point that a parent objecting at a school board meeting is called a "domestic terrorist" in speaking for the rights of their children. The right didn't cause that; the left's mental derailment has. They like to say they are "intelligent", but that is not the same as wise- and these people are the antichrist of wisdom. The right is to blame too- for tolerating the stupidity that has seized power and has set about diminishing the very people they are supposed to be serving and benefiting. Tolerance has it's place, but this isn't it anymore than tolerating theft, abuse, murder or Hitler. For those who don't believe an entire people can be mislead to tolerate insane actions- Hitler is the example. As he raged against Jews in Germany, told people they were being victimized by jews and promoted hate for jews, he gained the tolerance of the German citizens that allowed him to kill 6 million of the people who he personally held a hate for- in pursuit of a way to support his own delusions of superiority. True evil comes about that way, under a cloak of righteousness with a false purpose and a false promise.
Such a cloak is in front of us right now.

 

Well said @spiritgide .

 

How is Trump different from Xi Jinping?

Xi is a dictator; Trump is a would-be dictator. He doesn't care for the people nor for the will of the people. He tried to overrule last year's election thru the insurrection he encouraged and all but managed. He's now threatening any GOP member who dares to disagree with him, to the point that only a handfull of repub reps and senators are keeping some sense of morality.
The repubs of 1973 had the courage to vote to impeach Nixon. Most repubs of 2020/2021 have no dignity.

 

This post illustrates the problem on the extreme right. You see all these words, with absolutely NO content. I can (and I have) show you hundreds of examples of how Trump's administration was authoritarian, and of how Trump attempted to convert us into a dictatorship. I can mention January 6, his proven criminal obstruction of justice, his proven attempts to extort a foreign head of state, his disproven Big Lie... All documented and easily documentable. This is called substance.

This poster just.,.. writes... a long long diatribe with absolutely ZERO substance. But lots and lots of projection.

Don't take my word for it. Read it! Read @spiritgide 's whole post. While you're reading it, ask yourself "where is the content?". Where is .... let's not even say "evidence"... even so much as examples that corresponds with reality of ANY of these evil things @spiritgide mentions.

I could point you to threads I myself have opened where the SPECIFIC crimes I accuse Trump of are PROVEN. Not to mention the ones that others have opened.

Other than empty words like "murder", "theft", "Hitler", "truth", "abhor those values"... this poster has NOTHING. No content... no examples to support anything whatsoever that he says. I'm serious! Read it yourself and try to find any content. Don't be surprised if you find none. Because that is this poster's style. And he got so fed up with me pointing this out and DEMONSTRATING it again and again that he put me on ignore. Which gives me the chance to criticize him without him even knowing

I challenge anybody to show ANY substance whatsoever in his long long post. @spiritgide wasn't up to the challenge when he had the chance. So I doubt anybody else will have better luck.

 

That's also my opinion. It's a pain in the ass when some people label liberalism as left-wing in order to devalue it.

Liberalism is what makes the whole western world tick. Capitalism, democracy, and freedom wouldn't be possible without liberalism.

 

Some people take solace in the fact our democratic institutions and those who populate them held against Trump's efforts to steal the election. Here's the thing. Trumpery is working to change that. By purging the party of those who reject the Big Lie. By removing election officials who respect the will of the majority. By normalizing the primary tenets of fascism.

 

Your post- Now nominated for todays' biggest load award.

In fact, the Biden group (puppet and puppeteers) and the left is again mirroring what they actually are as being the role of the people they want to destroy- and all your allegations fit them, not Trump, PRECISELY.
What's more, you know it. You're either a perpetrator or a victim of the biggest gaslighting job in American history.

The hatred for all the values that made America a great nation are despised by your people Not just disagreed with, but despised to the point they will run roughshod over everybody in their way.
Federal laws are being violated everyday by this administration- openly, totally and easily proven.beyond question. They refuse to prosecute their own crimes.... But they will prosecute those who object, down to a mother protesting to a school board, and label her a "domestic terrorist". Your people are the ones who tear down a statue of Thomas Jefferson- and erect a statue of George Floyd.

And you would call Trump a dictator?

 

AKA projection. Trump has perfected it.

 

See what I mean about this poster? More lack of substance... Just words...

For example, we KNOW (because we have all seen it) that Trump was Putin's puppet (dragging his feet to implement sanctions, removing sanctions at the first opportunity, attacking Putin's enemies while defending him, .... etc) But this guy says...

... with nothing to support it.

He even projects projection.

No examples... no evidence... just more words. Disgraceful!

And we know Trump has made a mockery of congressional oversight, the impeachment process, of the electoral process, of the military, ... ALL of these "values that made America a great nation". But the poster claims.

Not even a single example...

Trump PUBLICLY tampered with witnesses, refused to comply with legal subpoenas, violated election laws and even publicly bragged that he would violate them again if he had the chance... And yet...

... no evidence... no examples... Just words...

I wouldn't! Trump was such a failure that he couldn't even succeed in becoming a dictator. Which doesn't mean he didn't try.

But you see what I'm saying? This poster is not the exception. He's just the most obvious example. Sorta like the "low hanging fruit". But there are others who make accusations like these with no substance whatsoever.

Hopefully I stay in his "ignored" list. That way he'll keep spewing these empty posts and I can continue using them as examples of what is wrong with the rhetoric on the right: lots of projection... but nothing of substance.

Don't tell him I said so....

 

Theocracies are evil, but Obama never pushed his Christian beliefs on the people

 

Obama has Christian beliefs?

 

more so then Trump imo

 

After reading some posts since I have been on this forum for a short while, 'spot on' analysis.

 

Hear, hear.

All Trumpers everywhere should read this daily.

 

Thanks for the thunderous applause, bro.
But I think Trumpsters give a **** about democracy and freedom.
They like authoritarianism and hate liberalism.

 

I disagree. Even I like authoritarianism. How many times every day do I really want to just grab some idiot and say "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP YOU ******* ****-FOR-BRAINS, NAZI-ASS ****,

And THAT'S in lieu of having the Guards haul him off to be burned in Effigy, (Effigy being this small town just South of Philadephia)

 

The Democrats are the Authoritarians and it's not even close.

• ANTIFA = Brown Shirts
• Mandates
• Centralized Control instead of Local Control
• Vaccine Papers to participate in public / private life
• Ignoring SCOTUS rulings
• Using the Government to attack political opponents - Peachmints, FBI with Parents, Jan. 6 "insurrection", IRS attacks on Conservatives, Desire to grown the IRS huge
• Shutting down Small Businesses that do not support Democratic Party politics

 

They usually wear black shirts.

 

True enough.

I'll bet people don't know that ANTIFA organized and attacked average citizens that went to the WI Spa after the trans-man exposed himself erect to women and girls in the locker room. The ANTIFA goons physically beat them and tried to steal their phones. YouTube took down the videos. ANTIFA are fascist "Black Shirts" for the Democratic Party.

 

meanwhile the right is trying to force rape victims to have their rapists babies in TX

Trump did all the things you mention and more so than any other President

 

Any evidence of that by chance?

 

That's not Fascism or Authoritarianism. That is a debate over when a human life begins. Fail.

 

Yall just made an illegal U-turn- claiming that others were the ones doing what your people are doing wrong, and that your people are claiming to do what those others are doong right.....
That's Doublespeak!!

Trump did not break federal law inviting an army of illegals over the border.
Trump never endorsed calling parents protesting child abuse "domestic terrorists."
Trump never wanted to tax you for money you haven't earned.
Trump never abandoned a thousand Americans in a hostile country.
Trump never gave a nation of terrorists billions in arms.
Trump never endorsed firing people who refused a vaccination.
Trump never went to a city with bloodthirsty mobs demanding a policeman be lynched, and backed the mob before the trial
Shall I list a hundred more, or have you figured out that Biden is all of those things and more, and that this list just scratches the surface?

 

You can watch it on video or see the charges filed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...lowed_nude_trans-woman_in_womens_section.html

https://twitter.com/Tr00peRR/status/1411372367922745353

https://www.latimes.com/california/...pect-in-attack-on-filmmaker-at-wi-spa-protest

 

This is the kind of Liberalism this new Democratic Party is trying to build.

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