Black Man Sues Chicago Police Accused of Brutalizing Him After Stopping Him....

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    Which facts would those be? That violent crime blights the African American community and that this is why they are disadvantaged compared to other races.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Really? What were they arresting him for? They actually went to stop and search him because he they thought he might be carrying an illegal firearm.
    And remember, I'm British.
     
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    Facts like the American Psychiatric Association says systemic racism is real / plays a powerful role in the criminal justice system.
    https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/17/16668770/us-sentencing-commission-race-booker

    As for violent crimes. The 40% of the cops commit violent crimes against their own families. Cops are predominantly white. It's not leading to many arrests to speak off. That's how among ways, white people don't turn up as much in statistics in who gets arrested for violent crimes. That's all you got.... who is getting arrested and pretend there is a link between the amount who actually does it.
     
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    Well. mr. UK... when an American cop has a thought of might bees, it's just not good enough under the 4th amendment.
    It's in the same way that can't search your house when having these thoughts. It's just not a probable cause.

    You should taken notice that ... THE COPS DROPED THE CASE.
    Because after 4 days of wondering around, they could not find a thing to hold it against their black victim.
     
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    You missed this part

    Female offenders of all races received shorter sentences than White male offenders during the Post-Report period, as they had for the prior four periods. The differences in sentence length decreased slightly during the five-year period after the 2012 Booker Report for most offenders. The differences in sentence length fluctuated across all time periods studied for White females, Black females, Hispanic females, and Other Race female offenders.

    Perhaps race is not as much of a factor at all if at all..

    Never mind that report did not go over legal defense which we have covered time and time again.
     
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    Because police are racist here in Chicago ( where I live ) and they regularly abuse black people due to institutional racism and brutality here.
     
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    The CPD is pretty much split down the middle as far as White and Minority officers where is your evidence the entire force is "racist"?
     
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    You missed the bottom line, that black people on average get a much longer sentence under the same circumstances.
    That's proving institutionalized racism has crept in that part of the US justice department.

    The same crap happens for cops, and how they decide to arrest people, as in the OP... they saw a black man and made up it was a threat and so engaged for nothing. That's not my opinion. The American Psycho Association is clear that it institutionalized racism is present all over the US justice system... where APA specifically notices that in general people find black people more threatening. This example in the OP fits the shoe, perfectly.
     
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    Yes they were wrong but they plenty of probable cause, they weren't searching a house, just a person in the street. Of course they dropped the charges, he wasn't armed.
     
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    It doesn't look like you got a clue what you're talking about, Rob.

    There was no probable cause at all. So the cops did not just breached "some law".
    They VIOLATED the persons CONSTITUTIONAL .... RIGHTS.... 4th amendment.
    That means the victim got a golden ticket in his hands, and the cops are in serious trouble.

    You're idea that they had "charges"... multiple.. because of alleged weapon.
    He had 1 charge: resisting arrest. But there was noting to arrest him for.
    Bogus claim.
     
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    Your understanding of American law is well below par. A police officer can most certainly have probable cause to make an arrest, only to have the DA's office later decide they do not have enough evidence to prosecute. The "cops" don't drop cases...

    I would ask you to stop making things up and spreading misinformation, but I don't see that happening.
     
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    I never disputed they CAN have probable cause ... I am saying that in this case, they had none.
    The OP is clear, they only reason to harass the guy was a thought.
     
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    They most certainly did. Just because you fail to understand what probable cause means does not negate that officers had it.
     
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    All bla bla, in the end you got nothing except what the OP says, and it's that the cops had a ill thought. That really is no probable cause.
     
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    Oh I literally have decades of experience. I teach it. They had RGTS so even if they don't find anything he has nothing to complain about. The DA dropped the charges because he didn't think it was in the public interest to proceed.
     
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    Plenty of probable cause, resembled the suspect, how he reacted to them, appeared to be concealing something etc.
     
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    When the official reason of his arrest was "the look on the face".. than it's a clear cut that his constitutional rights of the 4th amendment got breached.
    And I am absolutely not impressed of your claim that you've been teaching this for decades and claim I am wrong.
    If it were so that "look on a face" is good enough to search who ever you want, than you might as well toss the 4th amendment out the window.
     
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    Nope... they only got "look on the face" as the "probable cause".
    They did not put up "saw something being concealed".
    You claiming that this is "plenty"... is a massive joke.
     
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    I wonder if you would be happy with that payout under similar circumstance?
     
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    This same thing happened to my white husband 20 years ago which is why he and I have differing attitudes towards cops.
     
  21. Reasonablerob

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    Why? Quick search and off he goes.
     
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    No, that was just their justification for interacting with him, they then formed their probable cause from that.
     
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    They did, they thought he was concealing a weapon, why else would he react this way.
     
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    That justification of his look is still NOT good enough to interact with him.
     
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    Nope. They concluded based on only how his face was that there is a weapon being concealed. If such a thing was "the excuse" than they could make everybody they encounter to be patted down / strip searched. In absolutely NO WAY is that going to happen.... since the 4th amendment is SPECIFUCALLY MADE to ban the authorities to do so. And your claims that you teach this stuff is a total joke.
     
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