Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

We control the all the land, some we gave back like area A and some we still control fully, ofc in those places we sort things in Israeli courts, I also remember cases the courts rejected Israeli pleas.

Most of them fought for Arab national country over a Jewish one, in some places they were deported or ran and in others they remained, it was war before the age of telephones and it was a mess like all wars, your dogmatism and refusal to take any responsibility for that war was the reason (and still is) we don't allow Millions of hostile Muslims into Israel, we worked toward an independent Palestine but again your side dogmatism is not negotiable.
If the Arabs came to settle our dispute - and settling means you wont get all your demands - then we could also discuss civilian compensations, but as for now its just another tool to drive us to the sea...or whatever.

Yes you got the 700,000 number right, I checked other sources too, my bad.

Those shacks are long gone we have had cities built there since, you exaggerate the length we would be willing to compensate the aggressive - even thou losing - side.

 

Well..thank you mate, yes I'm pretty safe...
I'm pissed of Hamas because they ****ed up the new Gov, man we were this close to replace Bibi, he was sweating on TV it was his end...it was beautiful.......really...the new Gov was suppled to be presented the week of the war!!!
And than Hamas decided its the best time to give a special spectacle of rockets on Jerusalem no less....

Now its all gone, the Arab parties went back to their shells and we are stuck with Bibi for who knows how much more time, enjoy...

 

Yes I was looking forward to seeing Bibi go and maybe a bit more moderate government, Hamas sure ****ed up again!

 

You don't think Bibi orchestrated Hamas's reactions? He has been playing the Israeli public like fools. What happened to the many court charges against Netanyahu that has been on going for years?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55949391

How can a suspected criminal be allowed to carry on as if nothing has happened

Starting a war is a great way to get your population behind you and forgive your criminal activities

 

I think it is in the interests of both Hamas and Bibi that they both stay in power, they both understand what is needed without having to collude. Can you imagine what would of happened if Abbass four seats had been added to Lapid and bennet?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yachin

The accession of Hassan II on 26 February 1961 enabled negotiations to begin on a secret agreement between Mossad's "Misgeret" division and the Moroccan authorities (principally Prince Moulay Ali and labour minister Abdelkader Benjelloun), together with the American organisation HIAS. An economic arrangement was agreed between Israel and Morocco, with the agreement of Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and King Hassan II of Morocco, whereby $500,000 would be paid as a downpayment, plus $100 per emigrant for the first 50,000 Moroccan Jews, and then, $250 per emigrant thereafter.[1][2] The operation also received important help from Francoist Spain.[3] However, some Jews settled in France, Canada and the United States instead of in Israel. Morocco received "indemnities" for the loss of the Jews.[4]

The operation was fronted by the New York-based Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, who financed approximately $50 million of costs.

Upon Moroccan independence from French colonial rule in 1956, full rights and status were conferred to the Jewish population under the subsequent reign of Mohammed V. Nonetheless, immigration to Israel continued. In 1959, under pressure from the Arab League and facing the specter of the Jewish population's continued decline, emigration to Israel was prohibited,.... The formal prohibition on emigration remained in place only through February 1961. While the formal prohibition was ended, Mohammed V maintained a clear public preference that the Jewish community remain within Morocco and barred foreign action to facilitate or encourage emigration.



So the claim of 800.000 of Jews being "kicked" out... about a good 1/4 of them came from Morocco. And I just sourced Israel and other Jews paid Morocco for Jews to leave against the wishes of Morocco where they had full rights and it was against the wishes of the Moroccan government. I have commented also how somewhat similar things happened in other Arab countries.

All you got is expressing a fanatic an old racist anti-Arab train of through / zionistic lies. It's a way of you people making an-eye-for-an-eye argument that since Arabs supposedly kicked out Jews, it's justified that Jews kick out Arabs. It's a racist argument that claims ethnic cleansing is justified, while it can not be ever justified. Besides that the Arabs didn't even kick out the Jews. It's a racist dirty lie.

 

read post 834 and 718

Indeed. The number of deaths is not equal, and so it does matter in the face of who is disproportionally responding far more violent than the other with as a result that one side keeps on massacring innocent people at an incredible far bigger pace than the other side, systemic throughout the decades.

 

No matter how many times this is explained to the usual subjects with evidence they will continue spreading their lies.

 

Having it under control, doesn't make it Israeli. It's occupied. So we still got a Israeli court wanting to make a judgement call about property outside Israel is preposterous since the Israeli court is not dealing with property inside Israel of 700,000 civilians. And we all know why the courts do that, is because the Jew state is an apartheid state where Arabs don't have equal rights.

That number of + 700,000 Arab civilians contains women, children and the elderly. Your idea that "most of them fought" is just pure fiction in order for you to justify ethnic cleansing.
And wars may be messy. But that aint no excuse to systematically bulldozer civilian houses that belong to Arab civilians and make it the law that completely innocent women, children, the sick and the elderly are all banned to return. It has nothing to do with war. It has everything to do with ethnic cleansing. And you're unwilling to accept the war crimes done by the hostile Jews while entering a racist remark to call innocent civilians "violent" based on their race.

The Israeli courts are keen to never mind that multiple families in East-Jerusalem are needed to be removed out of houses build long ago for a person to get their alleged property back. You're going on hypocritical tour here.

 

He didn't stop it, he allowed things to escalate, but Hamas "surprise" was their own idea and they are directly responsible breaking the could be ties between the right-center and left parties in Israel,
The trail goes on but as PM he can postpone it due to crisis etc'.

 

It was about to happen...it was a done deal.....a matter of a few days..

God is a Bibist.....

 

Yes....however the (then brand new) UN:

1. voted to partition British mandate Palestine (under British control since the collapse of the Ottoman empire in 1917, against the will of the Arab world.
2. of course the Jews agreed with the UN vote, while the Palestinians rejected it.
3. the UNSC of course had already been rendered incapable of carrying out its mandate to maintain the peace, because the veto had already been insisted on by the US and USSR, since the SC's inception: "no veto, no UN" was their hideous self-serving cry (as if you can have an 'international rules based system' with the adjudicators of that law each having a veto...). Which describes the background for the nonstop war in Palestine, ever since.

Fast forward: after 70 years of humiliation by a more powerful opponent, in an environment of Might is Right - which is the age-old method of dispute settlement which the UN was supposed to change, but didn't...after all this, the Arab world has finally recognized Israel's right to exist, though of course Muslim extremists never will; and Israel is taking full advantage of this fact, though a thoroughly righteous Jew - Rabin - took a different view, and paid for it with his life which was taken by thoroughly evil Jewish extremist ....yes extremists exist on both sides.

I've noted Death has not addressed the issue of the veto...I wonder if you will; the poor Palestinians have not yet worked out that as long as the veto exists, there will be no Palestinian state.

 

there’s no reward in peaceful coexistence when your imaginary friend tells you there’s a big prize for killing X people, even if you die while doing it.

 

There will be no Palestinian State, the very best that can be hoped for is a truly democratic and secular single state, that will not come about until the Palestinians find a decent leader and Israel lets him live!
Israel was created by terrorists, the Palestinians need to understand that lightning does not strike the same place twice.

 

No. Once the smoke clears there needs to be a total overhaul of the system. A new eco friendly government put in place.

 

There's some deep thinking here - well written too.
But I don't think 'might is right' quite captures the situation. If the Palestinians
give Jews what they want then some amazing things could happen. And what
they want is SECURITY. A two state solution with Jewish know-how and capital,
and Arab labor, would be an amazing thing to see.

 

If the Jews just want security why do they not just annex the West Bank and Gaza?

 

1. I would like you address the UNSC veto question I raised earlier, to show your capacity for some objectivity of some some sort at least.

2. It's very likely the Jewish religion would have gone the way of Zoroastrianism, if Marcion's New Testament (which rejected the Hebrew bible for its barbarity and claims of divine authorization of genocide during the period of the conquest of the promised land) had been accepted as canonical by the new Jewish-sect religion called Christianity (which the vast majority of Jews rejected, or probably never heard about, after Jerusalem and Israel were extinguished by the Romans soon after Christ's crucifixion.

(Alexander's conquest of Persia had destroyed most of the Old Persian religion's texts 300 years earlier).

However, Constantine accepted the new orthodox Christian biblical canon ie NT+ OT (and Marcon's NT was considered heretical) which meant that the old Hebrew scriptures (the OT) survived while the old Persian religion perished (though it still exists in a remnant form in India).

Anyway back to your 3500 years of hatred of Israel: a brief history

In fact, united Israel was a sovereign land for c. 200 years from King David to c.900BC (the golden age), then divided, for another century or so, then the Assyrian empire swallowed northern Israel, then the Babylon captivity took the rest, then release by the Persian kings whose religion of good versus evil was tolerant of many religious faiths....like wise the greek Alexander who allowed the Jews to practice their own faith. But the Romans...yes plenty of hatred, there...but actually 600 years later, the newly conquering Arabs were tolerant of Jews as well, for a time...

Fast forward to the present: you could say Israel was created (in 1947 as an existential response, but surely the still dominant world power at the time, Britain, had much to do with it.

And now you have influential US Right Wing "rapturers" on your side; lucky for you, Jesus was a jew....

 

On the contrary Britain had little to do with it, they were driven out by Jewish terrorism and handed the mandate back to the UN, they abstained from voting on the partition plan in the general assembly and Jews ignored the UN and declared independence.

 

My proposition is security can only be achieved within an international rules based system.

Meanwhile Netanyahu, whom Israelis keep electing (almost......) wants all of Jerusalem, unlike Rabin who was prepared to negotiate.

 

British fostering of a nascent Zionist movement in the 19th century, and the early Balfour declaration?

Of course by the end of WW2 Britain was sick of empire...

 

Sorry I thought you were talking about 1947, of course Christian Revisionism in GB had much to do with the young Zionist movement and the antisemitic attitude of the British really helped. Note the cabinet member most against the Balfour Declaration was a Jew, he saw what could happen.

You might be interested in this, it is a fascinating document but rather a long read.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

"Zionism, however, does not content itself with mere propaganda in favour of the fulfilment of its expansionist projects at the expense of the Arab countries. Its plan involves recourse to terrorism, both in Palestine and in other countries. It is known that a secret army has been formed with a view to creating an atmosphere of tension and unrest by making attempts on the lives of representatives of the governing authority and by destroying public buildings . . . This aggressive attitude, resulting from the mandatory Power's weakness in dealing with them, will not fail to give rise in turn to the creation of similar organizations by the Arabs. The responsibility for the disturbances which might result therefrom throughout the Middle East will rest solely with the Zionist organizations, as having been the first to use these violent tactics." It was declared at the same meeting that "against a State established by violence, the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence".

 

What about 800,000 Jews driven from Arab countries? You either don't understand the history of the region or you're gaslighting the forum.

 

You asked me exactly that like yesterday, and I gave 2 replies that and added sources that this didn't took place.
How about you put a cork in them zionistic lies, ey?

 

Interesting how you totally omit the last 2000 years...

the so called creation of israel as a response to 3000 years of persecution doesnt really add up when you take into account those missing years which is kind of a large chunk to totally ignore..hmm.