Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

They are not Jews, simple as that.

 

Is that how this latest battle started?

 

I don't see anything especially esoteric in what I wrote which was:

"I've repeatedly asked apologists for Zionist land thieves to name just one group of people who have meekly accepted the world's oldest and most brutal foreign funded occupation but have yet to get a coherent response."

In other words: Can anyone name a group of people who who have meekly accepted ruthless, foreign invader - occupiers and not resisted their murderous occupiers.

Arabs and Jews got along reasonably well(1) until Zionist terrorist gangs showed up and started their campaign of mass murder, home demolition, land theft, rape and worse(2)


(1) “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED


(2) "DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE (9 April 194"
https://www.qassam.ps/occupation_terrorism-1200-DEIR_YASSIN_MASSACRE_9_April_1948.html

EXCERPT "The tactics of the Zionist Jews were to frighten defenseless people into fleeing their homes out of fear for their lives.

Two hundred and fifty people were slaughtered. Mutilating the bodies, even before death, the culprits cut off parts and opened the bellies of others. Nursing babies were butchered on the bosoms of helpless mothers.

Of those two hundred and fifty people, twenty-five pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and then they were slain and their heads cut off. Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About sixty other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated. Such are the historical facts concerning the horrible crime perpetrated against the Arab village of Deir Yassin."CONTINUED

 

Well that is the reason that Hamas gives but the real reason in my opinion is that Bibi was about to be replaced by a more moderate government with a coalition including members from the arab lists. That is bad news for Bibi so he let the situation in Sheik Jarrah escalate. It is bad news for Hamas because they need a right wing Israeli government to suppress the Palestinians pushing them more towards violence. So Bibi and Hamas get their war and the Palestinians still get evicted and killed. No doubt a new generation of Palestinians will support Hamas and on it goes.

edit. Oh and lots and lots of arms get used and tested so many rich people get richer.

 

Yes im aware of the undertones but is the technical reason for the battle the evictions and if so what legal right is the state using to evict those ppl?

 

Oh boy...

 

None according to international law since East Jerusalem is part of the occupied territories.

 

Uhm... in just a few words?

Squatters got evicted for not paying rent on the properties they did own

 

There's no East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem, there's Jerusalem; a beautiful, eternal city.

Just like the west bank and east bank are river banks; There's Judea and Samaria.

 

You have proof no rent was paid?

 

Two solutions to 2000 years of Christian persecution of the Jews, it should be a warning from history of what happens if you violently suppress people. The backlash can be terrible.

 

Talk to the OHCHR,

In practice, the implementation of these laws facilitates the transfer by Israel of its population into occupied East Jerusalem. The transfer of parts of an occupying Power's civilian population into the territory that it occupies is prohibited under international humanitarian law and may amount to a war crime.
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=27067&LangID=E)

Your country agrees that by international law East and West Jerusalem are distinct does it not Canadian?

 

Do you really want to discuss antisemitism in Morocco and why a lot of Jews left before the deal with Israel?

 

Yes you would have thought the Arab League would have figured out that message about "Jews", you as well. Clearly not. Lol. You can't even grasp why we started a nation precisely because of being violently suppressed.

As for the lessons the IDF has learned about dealing with Hamas or both Israelis and Palestinians have learned about each other in this conflict, trust me, they don't need you to lecture them. They both are vividly aware.

 

Being chastised by you is a compliment.

 

Aha....so it's like a cult thing? your church I mean, I bet you are armed and ready for judgment day?
What church/faith are you exactly ?

 

Right or wrong, Israel exists, millions of Jews live there, know no other home, many have nowhere else to go even if they were so inclined--Israel is a done deal.

IMNSHO, Palestinians should look to a future that has Israel in it.

 

By rejecting Israeli citizenship their houses mark the borders on that side....and that summarizes the whole land disputes in east Jerusalem I think.

 

I've been to Jerusalem and I've been to Judea and Samaria and I can say with confidence that you haven't.

 

We should be looking at solutions, clearly both sides have been right and wrong often driven by the political extremes, common ground must be found by what I think are the majority center who just want to live in peace.

 

Indeed, they've no choice in the matter. Co-exist or perish like other forgotten people of the bygone eras.

 

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Jesus' final solution is in parable form in Luke 19...
for the Biblical wise who are able to understand.

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I apologize for not responding. Please I speak only for me ok?

I believe what I believe is actually not helpful and it will be up to Israelis and Palestinians not me to resolve that destiny. However I do not want you to think I am evading your question just please understand I presume to tell no Israeli or Palestinian a damn thing about their destinies.

What I hope and long for is that as part of a permanent peace:

1-The West Bank and Gaza would become a second Palestinian nation for Muslims (they already were given 80% of Palestine with Jordan) with a corridor for travel.
2-To do that would take a complex series of legal negotiations dealing with Israeli federal and municipal laws, Jordanian federal and municipal laws, Palestinian laws, Canon (Christian) laws, Judaic laws, Koranic Laws and international laws;
3-The difficulty in 2 would be to deal with the reality on the ground-the need for all Palestinians to disarm terrorist armed units no differently than the IRA did before they started negotiating as they did;
4-The second difficulty with 2, is that until Palestinians and the entire Muslim world of the ME recognize Israel as a Jewish state just as their states are Muslim there is no quid pro quo that is reuired to initiate negotiations-it is impossible for Israel to negotiate with leaders of Palestine who vow never to accept a Jewish state and say their only recognition of Israel is to recognize it as a non Jewish state subject to a law of return for anyone Muslim (not Christian by the way) self proclaiming themselves to be a Palestinian with no test, just that self proclomation. That is the reality right now as we speak.
5-To achieve 2, Israel would have to compensate Israelis who LAWFULLY purchased land on the West Bank from Palestinians.
6-Next, When the Palestinians lived in East Jerusalem, they and the Jordanians defecated, urinated, spat, destroyed and burned down Jewish religious sites. For you to now think Israel would relinquish East Jerusalem back to Palestinians will not happen. At most they would and could accelerate and facilitate movement of Muslims to pray and have access to their Muslim sites but they will never again ever cede any part of Jerusalem. Please understand Palestine's leadership recognizes no right of any non Muslim in Palestine to own land or have access to land to pray. They built houses of worship deliberately on top of Jewish and Christian ones to show they were conquerors. That creates a conflicted trilateral religious land ownership situation which Christians and Jews settled but Muslims in Palestine will not.
7-I believe Israel would have to make major concessions and move people out of the West Bank and have to compensate them and that can not happen until Palestinians agree as well to compensate non Muslims whose land Palestinians illegally seized from Jews and Christians.
8-I believe in an ideal world, Palestine's second nation would form a free economic market with Jordan and Israel and have a corridor to travel back and forth to Gaza, and Israelis, Jordanians and Palestinians could work in each other's countries and the Palestinian second nation could have access to Israeli and Jordanian naval ports. I believe the three could share electricity, water, badly needed sewage and garbage recycling projects, roads, hospitals.
9-I fundamentally believe all 3 peoples, Christians, Muslims and Jews have equally as valid rights in the West Bank and Gaza.
10-there are 250,000 thousand Ultra Orthodox Hasidic Jews on the West Bank as well as another amount in pre 1967 Israel. These people do not recognize Israel as a state and believe until the Messiah returns Israel can not be created and so the current Israel is a religious abomination. These people wish nothing to do with anyone including Israel-the Palestinians have vowed to physically remove them and if necessary kill them. They have lived there over 4,000 years.
11-To create a Palestinian state on the West Bank is to understand the vast majority of land title disputes are not with Jewish settlers they are between Palestinians, some descended from peole born there, some who moved there and illegally took land from other Palestinians. Palestinians would resell their land to different Palestinians at the same time and it became so chaotic Arafat blew up the land titles office to hide this chaos. To try settle such disputes will be a collosal undertaking because Palestinians do not trust one another let alone Jordan or Israel or any other nation.
12-Also please understand many Arab League nations no longer want a second Palestinian nation. There war was with Israel and they used Palestinians as a pawn. Now they are more concerned with Iran's war against Sunni Arab League nations or Erdogan's attempt to reimpose his mythical Ottoman Empire stating in Libya forming a union with Turkey.

Bottom line is, I believe in a two state solution. I see equally as conflicted people who both need to find a way to be sovereign and find a way to acknowledge each other's inherent right to state sufferage.

Bottom line, my opinions mean sweet phack all. I was there. I volunteered there. I put body parts in bags. People like me were spit at by extremist Zionist settlers, Hasidic Jews, Palestinians equally. My job was to tend wounds, dig sewage pits, clean out parasites from toes and clean faces full of impitago and rat bites. I was no demon I was a toilet cleaner, period. I claim no expertise.

I am but one Jewish man among humans. It means I can not abandon Israeli Jews but those Israeli Jews never ever asked me hate Palestinians or defend them.

When I saw Palestinian children and Israeli children I saw children but I also witnessed children with bombs, pregnant women with bombs, people using Red Crescent ambulances to transport bombs and terrorists. So I saw children who were weapons and could kill and did. I also saw journalists deliberately create false stories and try pay me to do the same.

I have been to Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and Morrocco as well. I have been in Gaza.

I can only tell you the issues are complex, overwhelming, but I believe moderate Palestinians and Israelis both love their children equally and the mothers of these children will find a way to reach out to one another eventually for the sake of these children. I do not believe Muslims are the enemy. I believe terrorists are. There is a difference although I appreciate many may not see it. I do know Israelis are more likely to see that difference than arm chair Hamas supporters ironically from first hand practical day to day interaction not forming their realities based on websites.

I also had a friend commit suicide from battle fatigue on a roof in Jerusalem. The IDF are not animals. They are people often very young forced to defend themselves and others and get spit on by everyone

There are things I saw Hamas do to its people and things I saw Fatah Hawks do to their people. I do not say Israelis are angels. They are opinionated, hard, tough,from being under constant seigejust like Palestinians, but not one of them I got to know Palestinian or Israeli held my privileged life from Canada against me. They did not ask me when I volunteered to come and hate. My help was basic. It was not based on anything but need.

My dream would be to go back and help create animal shelters so that Palestinian children and Jewish children could work together in them and build trust.

 

Which side of the wall is Sheik Jarrah and has the wall been moved since these houses first became an issue? Your comment "mark the borders on that side" does not make sense - a border is a line