Nikki Haley would DESTROY Biden. So shouldn't the entire Republican machine rally around her?

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  1. perotista

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    I go by RCP averages when assessing the potential matchup between Trump and Biden. The ABC/Wash Post poll is way out of line with every other poll. But RCP has included it in their averages.


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


    What I use polls this far out is more to spot trends than the horserace numbers. If you drop below the first listing of polls there a graph below them. The trend since the latter part of August has been going in Trump’s favor. But there’s been plenty of ups and downs since the polling began with each leading at some point, trailing at others. The ABC/Wash Post poll seems to be an outlier at the present. But I’ll wait for more polls to come in to see if they show the same or close to the same results. Sort of like putting that poll on hold.
     
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    With each passing day, polls seem more and more BS.
     
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    The level of vitriolic negative media coverage that Trump gets is a fundamental factor in how he polls compared to Biden. Haley does not have the same negative media coverage. Therefore, less people know about her and have an opinion about her one way or the other, especially strong, negative opinion. All things being equal, if Haley were to receive the same negative media coverage that Trump receives and was still polling higher than Biden notwithstanding, then you would have a stronger case for why we Haley should move forward to the general election. But since she does not receive the same negative media coverage that Trump receives now, we don't know how she would truly compare to Biden once she starts receiving the same negative media coverage as Trump. By the same token, the poll about Haley beating Biden is essentially pointless.
     
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    Apparently those who lead the countries over there had a different opinion. Specifically Japan and South Korea. But hey! What do they know?

    Our problem is we voted in a meddling DNC who's foreign policies SUCK and have destabilized world peace.
     
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    While neither candidate is optimal...the DNC is backing a walking corpse of which all his parties policies suck ass and have been a failure.

    I am not surprised that voters are opting to back the guy who's most likely not going to have a stroke on the world stage.
     
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    The goal of the summit was improved US/N. Korea relations and removing N. Korea as a nuclear threat. It was an abject failure on both counts.
     
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    Time to get out the Trump nipple rings.
     
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    Well that's because you voted in the DNC.

    It was to start a bridge for peace talks and change. Of which takes time to build trust and rapport. You voted in an idiot and the DNC doesn't want peace so...here we are. How's that working out for ya?
     
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    Polls are useful in letting one know where things stand today on any given subject or issue within the MOE or margin of error of the poll. But like everything else, they’re dynamic and change constantly. So the presidential poll lets you know where the potential presidential candidates stand today. Not tomorrow, not next month, not six months from now and certainly not in November 2024. This is why spotting trends are more important than the horserace numbers.
     
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    It's easy to say "I'll cut spending". It's very difficult to actually do it. That's why we need to see a plan with details, not empty promises. What most Republican self-proclaimed fiscal hawks don't tell you is that the budget can't be balanced by leaving the big three, Medicare, SS and defense, untouched. They continue to peddle the illusion that cutting welfare, foreign aid, Ukraine aid, and getting rid of illegal immigrants will somehow solve our budget problem. Unfortunately, it won't. Of course, none of this matters, because portraying the illusion of being a fiscal hawk is more important than the actual numbers.
     
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    Haley, like all the current RP candidates challenging Trump are unelectable. Their campaigns are just fundraising tools. DJT is by far the strongest RP candidate, and his chances of actually winning on his are very slim. The RP seldom offers any good positive reason for voters to choose them over Democrats.

    I expect the innocent, but politically clueless Trump to spend at least 4 years in a federal prison - if he is lucky.
     
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    It was an abject failure on both counts.
     
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    What's going on right now, is an abject failure towards peace.

    You are just increasing the possibility of war.

    So grats!
     
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    They were reporting on the Fox News Polls and they are general election, not just SC

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html

    This 9 days more recent

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html
     
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    Polls are great but Hillary taught us that they are not reliable.

    But Biden looks like a dead horse. I feel like the DNC will go full Newsom soon for 2024
     
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    Greasy Gavin wants to do to the nation what he did to CA.

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    But a competitive primary will put Robert F Kennedy on the debate stage and the Dem base will find his core commitment to freedom, liberty, human rights and integrity in government, compelling.

    I think they will try to airdrop Greasy Gavin in, if they can't get Michelle, shortly before the convention. I have no idea what kind of a bribe it will take to get Clybourn to overlook throwing Kackles from the bus.
     
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    Well, that Moon would say that is understandable, he's the one who has to pay for any KJU aggression. But, his confidence is derived on a mirage, at best.

    No one in the west agrees with Moon on that point, they see Trump as a clown and a threat to world security. No president in history would have given the leader of a brutal dictatorship a photo op with the president, what that does is give him far more esteem than he deserves, the reality which you are ignoring..

    Moreover,

    None of that refutes my point. Trump did engage in a bellicose 'fire and fury' outburst, which no president in history has done, which destroys your premise.

    Moreover, every time I quote the WaPo or MSM you guys claim it is fake news.

    I see, but when it comports to your narrative, you applaud it.

    Got it.

    You are dismissed.
     
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    You are on a public board. You aren't dismissing anyone.

    There likely is not shortage of GOP folks who can wipe the floor with Bribed Biden.

    Conference Board Confidence Tumbled In September As 'Hope' Fades
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    'Labor market sentiment worsening fast...'

    Destroyed by Bidenomics, American Consumers are on their last legs, looking in hope toward Nikki, Trump, anyone with a functioning brain who isn't bribed.

    Employment hits the folks who lost their jobs. Bidenflation hits everyone, every time they purchase something: 'consumers continued to be preoccupied with rising prices in general, and for groceries and gasoline in particular,"'

    Workers, the folks that did so well under the The Trumpster are the hardest hit by Bidenflation

    'consumers continued to be preoccupied with rising prices in general, and for groceries and gasoline in particular,"'

    '"Consumers also expressed concerns about the political situation and higher interest rates. The decline in consumer confidence was evident across all age groups, and notably among consumers with household incomes of $50,000 or more."'

    Working Folks Are Bearing The Burden Of Bribed Joe and the Dems Successive Trillion Dollar Red Ink Orgies.

    Not to worry, better times are on their way.

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    Nikki Haley is making quite the case for VP. We look forward to watching her wipe the floor with Kackles in the VP debate.
     
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    Gavin is such an arrogant and ignorant **** up.

    He's done California so dirty that nobody wants to live there anymore
     
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    The only answer here is moar spending!!!

    Moar free money for everyone!!! Moar moar moar!!
     
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    Your deflection is noted.
     
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    Trump turned an exchange of hard lined comments and tweets into a handshake and a calming of that area.

    Tell me...how are Biden's negotiations with north Korea going? Or do you somehow think you will be able to regime change every leader in the world you don't like while lecturing all you allies about gays and diversity?

    Trumps foreign policies were working. **** sucks right now. The DNC are the new war mongers.

    Deal with it.
     
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    That's not a deflection. Hand waving a handshake and the start of dialogue is what I'd like to call...ignorant on your part.

    Sometime down the road when you allies start telling the DNC to **** off...you will figure out that you can't control other nations as to who governs or how.

    You will need to figure out how to live in this world with people with different values and culture.

    That's that diversity **** you all keep puking.
     
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    But how many other Democrats other than RFK would have the balls to show on Fox News to debate DeSantis?
     
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    I had only meant that the part with Haley at 18 or 19% in the Primary, had been done with SC voters. I'm not honestly sure, whether or not these were the same voters used for the ratings against Biden-- I would tend to think so, though, not only because I think Haley did well on that part, too, but because this seems the most cost-effective way: to use the already polled Republicans, then add to that, Dems and Independents, from the same area. But again, I really don't know-- you would have to go check it, to be sure.
     
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