And Yet People Defend Hamas

Iraq and Afghanistan were very recent, and do you really think we have changed much since Vietnam? No, we haven't at all. If anything it is worse. We are getting into conflicts to keep the war machine fed.

 

People of Gaza are being treated like animals, and after more than a decade of a terrible unjust blockade, set up specifically to achieve a political objective, they are starting to act like animals.

Is Israel somewhat responsible for the terrible actions of Hamas? Yes.

There is no military solution. There needs to be peace and respect for both civilizations.

As long as the Palestinians are treated like garbage they will continue to attack civilians.

When you strip people of their humanity they tend to act without concern for the humanity of their enemies.

 

And in the end, the only realities are tribalism and "might makes right." Those who don't believe this are destined to be conquered by those who do.

 

In the case of Vietnam, ironically, getting involved earlier may have prevented the conflict. Ho came to the US multiple times looking for help, and was ignored each time. He eventually sided with the soviets more out of nationalism than anything else. This was not long after the war of independence from the French colonizers, who the USA refused to oppose.

 

What suspicion? That I have been to ME and spent time with Muslims and I know the culture and history. But you don’t.

You are right, I have been in ME, I have been to Pakistan, I have been to Bangladesh. I have spent enough time with Muslims and I know their culture and their history.

You apparently don’t. You read some books while drinking Lat-te at Starbucks and now you think you can blame rest of the western world for Muslim killing each other, Muslim stone their own daughter to death.

 

Yes. I often hear people say "Palestinians don't recognize Israel's right to exist". But rarely do I hear Israelis recognizing Palestine's right to exist.

 

That is only reality because our overlords benefit from it. We let them brainwash into thinking it is justified, and they keep us silent by supplying us with cheap goods that are the prize of their warmongering. We are at a point in history now where we are all connected, nothin can be done in secret, and we can demand our leaders stop the bullshit. But nope, we just continue to act like morons, hiding behind our past actions and thinking that is "reality" and somehow justified. Reality is what we make it, not some preprogrammed BS.

 

Absolutely. Vietnam was a tragedy that we could have prevented and come out of with a grateful ally. We ****ed it up royally.

 

The good news is that all is pretty much forgiven now. Vietnam is a US ally today. That always amazes me. China is just that scary to its neighbours I suppose.

 

That was back when they loved the Russians.

 

I understand your point that the issue in ME is complex. Muslims, Arabs, jews, and western world created a powder cake in ME, a little imbalance blow up the whole thing.

Do you think if the West and Jews leave ME, the Arabs will get along with each other and have peace in ME?

 

Your unwillingness to provide the so called facts proves there are no facts and just your opinion

 

What you are describing is not close to what hamas did over the weekend. Killing is not killing. If you cant see that, you are a sick person.

 

This is why no one can take you seriously. You only see crime in one side. Atrocity done by Eu/American army. I command them. But do you condemn atrocity done in the name of Allah? Do you condemn beheading in the name of Allah ? do you condemn “stoned to death” in the name of Allah?

Or your eyes only see crime committed by European?

 

No, it will not be. And the blood shed is 100% on hamas hands. All of it.

 

Does anyone here go to Starbucks? If you do, look what you're supporting.

Starbucks Union Championed by Bernie Sanders and AOC Celebrates Hamas Attacks

A labor union championed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.), and other liberals expressed solidarity with Hamas terrorists after the worst domestic terrorist attack in Israel's history.

Starbucks Workers United, an affiliate of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), expressed "Solidarity with Palestine!" in deleted social media posts. Union chapters in Iowa, Chicago, and Boston promoted rallies in support of the Palestinian attacks, including a "Long Live Palestinian Resistance" rally to be held in Boston on Monday. Hamas slaughtered hundreds of Jews in an invasion into southern Israel over the weekend. More than 700 Israeli civilians have been killed, as have 9 American citizens.
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The Boston chapter of the union said Monday that it stands "in solidarity with the people of Palestine and condemn the [Israel Defense Forces] for senselessly and viciously bombing, murdering, and injuring innocent Palestinians."

Hours after the tweet, Hamas spokesman Abu Obaida said the terrorist group will respond to every Israeli military response in Gaza with a televised "execution of an Israeli captive."






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The reality is that there will always be "preprogrammed BS" in a large segment of the human population - and that segment will insist on "tribalism and might makes right." The utopian "reality is what we make it" crowd will forever be thwarted by the "might makes right" crowd, and if the utopians don't show some "might makes right," they will cease to exist. So, until the utopians eradicate the "might makes right" crowd, the world will be ruled by "might makes right."

 

Maybe a little more peaceful, but I doubt it is any kind of magic bullet. Muslim nations war with each other just as much as Christian nations do. Religion is just a tool the powerful use to leverage their people into war for the benefit of the powerful. The ones dying rarely see much benefit.

 

Do you seriously think these guys are killing just for shits and grins? Or because their families have been suffering for generations and they are desperate? In different circumstances, those people may have been upstanding members of society, but extreme situations drive people to extreme actions.

Again, that doesn't justify their killing, anymore than our killing is justified. It is all wrong. there are no good guys here.

 

I don't give a f*ck why they are killing. What I care about is who and how they are killing. Indiscriminately killing the weakest and most vulnerable humans in the most heinous manner can never be justified. So stop it ffs.

 

we should condemn anyone that intentionally targets innocent citizens, Hamas is a bad guy for sure - I hope he and his band of war criminals get theirs, I also hope Israel doesn't intentionally target innocent women and children - both sides should be better then that

 

Israel kills Palestinian children - Meh...
Palestine kills Israeli children - WTF!!!!!! STOP IT!!!!!!!

 

"Indiscriminately killing the weakest and most vulnerable humans in the most heinous manner can never be justified."

100% agree, regardless of who it is, no one should target innocent civilians, be is Hamas, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, the USA, Germany, China... the list includes everyone - target the enemy, and the enemy is not innocent women and children

 

Like I said, their killing is just as wrong as us raining bombs down on Baghdad, or leveling countless villages during "operation Rolling Thunder" in Vietnam. Do you think that because we don't look them in the eye when we kill them that it somehow makes it justified? You think some middle-eastern kid holding her dead mother that was killed from an American bomb is somehow better than Hamas shooting someone's mother? They are both disgusting.

 

The blockade on Gaza has led to the deaths of countless children unable to get medical care. Does anyone care about them?