For those who think the election doubters have no grounds-

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many times do I have to say that nobody is saying that there are more registered than vote?

    You are arguing against a point that nobody has raised. The OP claimed that in some districts there were more people registered to vote than there are actual voters that live there. Your reply does not make any sense.

    Do you understand that these are two different things?
     
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    In all but one or two of Trump's myriad court filings the court simply refused the case and made no ruling on the evidence to debunk it.
     
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    yes, people move, ect.... anyone can understand why there may be more registered voters then actual voters
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not responding to what is being said. You are wandering aimlessly. You are off on some bizarre strawman argument, I am tired of correcting you only to have you again respond by not responding to what was just said.

    It is time to move on.
     
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    yep, you seem confused, time to move on...
     
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    they are caught, just like when a couple voted for Trump in 2020... both parties look hard for those
     
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    Trump's fabricated claims of election fraud ALL stemmed from the sore loser's desperate attempt to alter reality to serve his own selfish purposes. He admitted that he would not accept any other outcome than a personal victory.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find your off-topic gibberish to be confusing indeed. On that, we agree.

    I can lead a horse to water, but at some point, if he refuses to drink, there is not much else that can be done.
     
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    To those who feel that it is wiser to put a showman-salesman in the Oval Office than a politician: PT Barnum, emulated by Trump enough to be his mentor, famously said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

    Don't expect to be rewarded for your vote. You will pay dearly for it. Hopefully, imaginary votes won't again be a factor in the coming election, even though Trump will invariably declare himself the winner, regardless of the tabulated vote.
     
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    Which, of course, does not address @spiritgide post in the least.
     
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    Of course not. Brings back Obama's stopping through executive order states from comparing registration rolls to weed out duplicates. Democrats don't want them weeded out.
     
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    What are the implications of this question?


    Did the people really vote for this mess we are in?
     
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    The implications.... are the questions that logically follow that question.
    If this is not what we voted for, why do we have it? And why are we tolerating it?

    The process of democracy is essentially the idea that the people set the objectives, what they want their nation to be, and their vote gives positions and authority of leadership to those will serve the people and safely navigate the nation to those objectives.

    So we have to ask if what we have is what we asked for, and if not- why has our chosen leadership failed in its duty? Did they sell us out, or are they so incompetent they can't even move in the right direction?

    Neither answer is a solution, other than telling us what needs to be changed.

    A solution would be gaining the ability to ensure honor in office, or the ability to quickly remove the unfit before they do more damage... or both.

    What if we could do those things? Imagine the possibilities.

    And, we CAN make that happen.
     
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    The implications of this question are again, that you are still questioning whether the votes were tabulated correctly.
     
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    Yep, illustrating that the courts are as corrupted as the other 2 branches.
     
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    Then- YOU did not understand that question.

    As to your take on it- There is no question about the votes being tabulated correctly- they never are, and there will always be errors in a process that massive.
    The questions that follow next are: How extensive were the errors; Did they change the outcome, and Were they the result of intentional manipulation- AKA, fraud.

    Some things can be definitively proved, IF you can find the evidence. If you don't find definitive evidence, it does not mean it's not there or that fraud didn't happen- and if rational analysis of the facts that are found indicates that intentional manipulation is the most likely reason for a resulting condition, a rational person will not dismiss it and assume otherwise.

    The only rational explanation for Biden being in the white house is manipulation. The other explanation is that the people who had rejected him twice before and the masses of voters who were not interested in going to his few rallies or visiting his basement, suddenly decided he should get the most votes in history. You may think the American voters are that stupid; I don't.
     
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    Refusing to hear it IS a ruling on
    The RATIONAL explanation is that Trump's incompetence, lying, authoritarian tendencies and attempts to engage in skullduggery during his administration made a vast number of people quite sure that they did not want another 4 years of his clown show.

    The mess Trump left Biden during the first two years of his presidency has been exploited by those who want Trump back to paint a false picture of Biden as a "failed" President. The ability (or inability) of the Trump supporters to deny (or failure to recognize) reality is what is driving the current trends. I think that once the reality of convictions start rolling in things are going to change.
     
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    Did you know that when you look at things through a mirror, they are backwards? The dems handle everything that way. Screw it up, mirror it to blame it on the right, and their loyal minions just nod in agreement without having a clue. Joe hasn't done anything right yet, many things he's botched terribly like the Afghan pullout. He can't form a coherent sentence half the time. Can't remember what he's done, so makes it up.
    The minions... don't notice. Trump was right about most things. And while even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then, Biden obviously can't find his.

    There's a difference between being in authority (the boss, responsible for results) and being a puppet dictator denying reality.
     
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    Biden was NEVER rejected by the voters. He decided not to run in 1984, and withdrew early from his campaigns in1988 and 2008.

    As for manipulation, NOBODY is as manipulative as Trump. Hillary won Gallup polls "WORLD'S MOST ADMIRED WOMAN" a record 20 times before Trump's famous character makeover . . . assassination by lies . . . transformed her into the "WICKED WITCH OF THE EAST."

    We need a higher turnout of RESPONSIBLE voters.
     
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    Well, hang on to your seat and put on your oxygen mask, but, NO, it is not. This might come as a shock to you, but judges and justices rule ONLY on cases heard and tried.
     
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    If you can't gain support, you are being rejected. The fact you fail before you're even nominated would not change that.
    Sorry to say, I think you have bought a great deal of BS.
    Hillary's level of immorality is not a temporary or new thing, it's more like a DNA element.
    The fact you can snow people is a skill of con artists- and as Hillary said, "Fake it until you make it." She knows how, and is good at it.
    Her personality was different out of public view and cameras. For example in the white house a secret service agent greeted her in a hall, and said "good morning, mamm". Her reply- "Fukk you". She told them to get out of her sight when they saw her coming. That comes quoted from retired secret service agents, who generally regarded being assigned to her as punishment. Trump was right.
     
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    This might come as a shock to you but they do NOT only rule on trials.
     
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    Yes, and Trump supporters view EVERYTHING as it is reflected by Trump.
     
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    See? You just demonstrated the phenomenon. You do realize that you not only didn't win by doing so- you lost more cred points. Nah. You don't realize that either.
     
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