Legislators going after pizza in NYC

Tone deaf much?

I guess the green folks are going after wood fired pizza ovens in New York city and New Yorkers arent happy about it.

Im not a New Yorker, but from what I understand, pizza (and local artisanal cuisine in general) is a big deal there.

And what, they want pizzarias to cook with fossil fuels instead?

Seems to me like the city is just picking a fight...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/epic...-in-protest-of-citys-war-on-wood-fired-ovens/

 

Infowars? Won’t read.

 

You might not to read infowars but the story is true. The irony here is a lot a people in the area have wood burning fireplaces and/or wood stoves in their back yards. The bigger irony is there are three major airports in the NYC area along with numerous smaller ones….but pizzerias are the problem.

 

Yea, one way of avoiding a true story is to declare that it isn't true. New York City has been after wood fired pizza ovens for months.

 

Well, we wouldn't want the smell of wood smoke drowning out the natural bouquet of urine NYC has. I personally prefer thick crust pizza so I really don't care if they ban wood fire ovens or not.

 

It may very well be true. I’m not denying it. But the fact that infowars is reporting it makes it decidedly less likely to be true. So until I see a link from a more credible source I will continue to doubt this is real.

 

Well theres a link in the first sentence of the article, as well as all over the internet, if you'd bothered to check. Something infowars always does when its covering something that other news outlets also cover. Seems more like you're just not interested in knowing about it.

But in case I'm wrong and you're still here because you're interested in the topic and not just virtue signalling about how much you don't like infowars, here you go:

NYC burns pizzerias with new rule cutting smoky pollutants by 75% (nypost.com)

 

Well, one New Yorker isn't happy about it, or is at least making a big show of not being happy for his own self promotion.

No. If you'd looked for some actual news sources, you'd be able to find out what the new policy actually is rather than just get some recycled social-media posts and manufactured outrage.

 

I used to order pizzas once a week for many years, until I learned how easy it is to make myself. Now I've experimented to not with unique toppings and configurations that I could never go back. Where can you get a strawberry pizza?

 

One of the pizzerias in the NY Post article was Grimaldi's. They were featured on CBS News this evening.

Owner, manager of Grimaldi's Pizzeria accused of wage theft
The owner and a manager of a popular New York City pizzeria have been charged with stealing thousands of dollars in wages from several workers. CBS New York's Zinnia Maldonado was inside the courtroom as defendants stood before a judge at civil court.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/video/owner-manager-of-grimaldis-pizzeria-accused-of-wage-theft/

 

so?

 

It wasn't long ago when New York was covered in smoke from Canadian forest fires....but pizza ovens, they're worse.

 

They want the pizzarias to install carbon scrubbers ...which are far more expensive to buy/install/maintain than switching to fossil-fueled stoves. So most places will just switch to fossil-fueled stoves instead, if the proposed regulation stands.

 

While not cheap by any means, I'm not convinced installing the filters would necessarily be more expensive that replacing the whole oven. I did find an article including an owner who had already made the modifications and didn't have any complaints (and his neighbours were happier), so it certainly can be viable.

Note that the primary issue this is addressing is local pollution from particulates rather than wider environmental ones. Burning wood isn't necessarily much better on the latter point, coal ovens would still require the filters and gas is probably much more efficient. Plus, this is a very small scale matter, so the local impact is by far the most significant.

 

As oven baking relies on infra-red waves for cooking, it is difficult to see what difference wood makes as the energy source. I've never understood the big insistance on it. Wood is a good, renewable energy source in the right situations, but not in tight population areas.

 

People used to crap in the streets
It was found to be unhealthy and unsanitary
So now it is illegal to crap in the street

That doesn't mean the gubmint is going after crap.

AND

Requiring an emissions control device is not going after pizza.

 

Requiring a pollution control device isn't "going after" anything.

PERSPECTIVE

 

It's not really about pizza and pollution but all about control.. Little things and small nudges slowly condition the weak minded to conform to bigger and bigger larger orders and change..

 

You're right, like training dog to sit. At first you give it a treat, then praise and then just the command and instant obedience..

 

says those whose memories are ...short

Before the EPA
NYC


LA



Pittsburgh



TODAY

NYC

LA

Pittsburgh


No one is saying you can't have your pizza oven
Just keep your pollution out of other people's lungs.

 

Yup, today..

 

@dadoalex

Do you have links and the background with these pictures, please.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1078300-canadian-wildfires-cause-heavy-smog-in-new-york

 

Sure, technically its going after the pizzamaker, but at the end of the day thats a distinction without a difference. The point is NYC is bullying the little guy over climate change while it still generates ~75% of its electricty from fossil fuels. Which I got no problem with, but im also not forcing people to buy unecessary and expensive carbon scrubbers for their pizzaovens.

A lot of these pizzamakers are just gonna switch to cooking with fossil fuels instead of wood, and concievably some of them might just stop making pizza altogether if it becomes unpofitable. Is that better for NYC?

 

Wildfire smoke here

https://www.salon.com/2022/11/13/wi...the-earth-for-longer-than-we-thought_partner/

 

Pittsburgh area 2023

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