Pecker testimony reveals backroom deals that helped Trump win 2016

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  1. Lum Edwards

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    There are several obvious problems with this case that should have prompted the judge to swiftly boot it.

    Statutes of limitations has run.

    Bragg lacks jurisdiction/standing to prosecute what amounts to a federal case. If there was any case at all.

    He's having to twist and contort laws to cobble together the needed felonies. And the biggest problem is, THERE IS NO CRIME! We are talking about invoices and internal records. It is not a lie to call them legal fees.

    The judge has a clear conflict and refuses to recuse himself. His gag order is inappropriate. If he wants to gag Trump, then he must do the same for Cohen. None of this sounds like due process to me.
     
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    He already did. C’mon.
     
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    Really? The prosecution didn’t even allege crimes? Nobody but righties have figured that out?
     
  4. Lum Edwards

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    What did the poster you are responding to say that would give you that impression?
     
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    I never said they didn't allege crimes. <Mod Edit>
     
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    With the amount of publicity Trump is getting with this trial, he hardly needs to campaign. He is out every day making his derogatory statements and self pitying comments. His birthday wish to his wife was sloppy at best.

    Instead of focusing on his rage....he could use that free TV time to outline his planned policies. That would be a smarter way of using the free TV time. His gag order does not cover true campaign positions.
    He has the opportunity and the media attention. He wastes that valuable time with petty gripes , whining, and belly aching.
     
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    Is it a SOL issue or is it not even illegal? Can’t be both lol
     
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    What gives you the idea that it can't be both? It can be and is both. If you ignore the one you still have a problem with the other. Next?
     
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    There is no statute of limitations on legal activity lol
     
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    Another baseless claim.
     
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    You need to cite at least a few of the charges…the wording tells you everything. Just saying “ charges” and claiming they aren’t crimes, doesn’t cut it. Go ahead. It’s in your court. Post a couple.m
     
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    Btw, you’re the one making the claim there are no crimes.
     
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    And I have no problem with a court throwing the case out on that basis, either at trial or on appeal. To the extent it my opinion matters (and it doesn't)? Of all the prosecutions Trump currently faces the hush money case is the one with least justification for proceeding, at least in terms of a prosecutorial cost vs potential financial penalty and public interest basis. Other matters, particularity the Georgia case and the federal documents case are an entirely different kettle of fish.
     
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    You didn’t post that no crime was alleged? I should “learn to read”? I read quite well, and you posted exactly that:

     
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    It seems that the Trump supporters have a different definition of CRIME........from the law They just cannot accept that their "hero" did so much wrong. (illegal ) That is Trump's story line and they have adopted it as "fact". No matter how much evidence is presented, they shut their minds to it as it dos not fit their preconceived notions. ( those of Trump) Because they have adopted everything that trump says as "fact"... they no longer demonstrate critical / analytical thinking. ( let alone think for themselves) Group think has overtaken independent thinking .
     
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    how many trump haters would be claiming this was a crime if Hilary or Biden did it?
     
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    Previous comments inferring (but not providing evidence of) a deliberate lack of due process in the current NYS prosecution
     
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    If an investigation demonstrated that the evidence is there, They should be held to full account as well. Don't care what party is involved or what person......the law applies to everyone. But sadly the society is structured in a way, that some folks (RICH, FAMOUS etc) are treated with an exceptionalism. This case and other Trump cases have the opportunity to show the nation and world.....that this nation is truly a nation of laws. Laws are what keep a nation civil. What seems important is not to o have an emotional attachment to these high profile people. (regardless of who they are)
    If Trump was not running for POTUS , and the fact he is not competent due to his psychological issues , he would be irrelevant .
     
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    All of us? They didn’t, of course.
     
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    I have far less faith in most of the anti Trump posters than perhaps you do. The Trump matter is more likely to make the Biden administration and his toadies appear to be contemptuous of the laws than Trump
     
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    that's absolute bullshit. BTW do you Biden supporters even once question the timing of these cases? the stormy daniels crap was known in 2018. why did it take so long to instigate this case OTHER THAN TO INTERFERE with the 2024 election?

    On January 12, 2018, The Wall Street Journal reported that in October 2016, just before the 2016 United States presidential election, Michael Cohen, lawyer for then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, arranged a payment of US$130,000 to pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels to stop her disclosing an affair
     
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    It’s internally inconsistent to proclaim that there is no crime, while at the same time stating that you never stated that the prosecution alleged no crimes. Is the prosecution claim that there’s a crime if their claims are to be believed true, or is there no crime even if their claims are true? Are there crimes barred by the sol?
     
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    LOL!
     
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    For the last time, I never said they didn't allege a crime. I said there is no actual crime. Them alleging something doesn't make it so. The alleged crime is beyond the SOL. If I drew you a picture would it help ya understand?
     
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    Trump doesn't have street smarts.
    He was born with a gold spoon in his mouth.
    He wouldn't have lasted 5 mins on the streets without his daddy's money.
     
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