U.S. Woman Nearly Decapitated By Partner

Assuming I understand you correctly, you may be right about fault in the sense of people being responsible for their own actions. But if you are saying that fault means blame and that blame means bad, I don't agree with you.

An elderly driver who becomes confused and causes a fatal auto accident is responsible because of poor decisionmaking, but not to blame in the sense of possessing the mens rea needed for culpablility for a crime.

Similarly, the victim in the case at issue made the decision to live with a man who was capable of murdering the woman he presumably loved. She presumably would not have moved in with him if she had realized it was possible he would murder her.

Her mistake had to be that she moved in with him without knowing him. That was a poor decision. In doing so she consciously took a chance. It was her responsibility, and it was a mistake. Her decision to do so put her at a place where she was exposed to danger.

The murderer is to blame for the victim's death, but she would not have been in a position to be murdered her boyfriend, but for her decision to move in with the murderer. That is the poor decision she made.

 

in this case and every case the person to blame is the Criminal and never the victim.

 

I don't disagree with you. However, the fact that she was unaware of his history means that she made a decision to move in with him without having all of the facts necessary to make an informed decision.

 

What is epistemolgical blindness?

 

So, what would be the answer for a man wielding a machete? A coconut? What?

 

Oh yes, I agree...that's exactly what that was.

 

Just wondering...is he a Muslim?

 

This is an odd argument. You are saying that the fact that she did not know he might kill her (as if anyone would ever think such a thing!) means that she made a bad or uninformed decision? Surely you could only accuse her of this if she had moved in with him, knowing that he was a murderer. Did you establish if your partner was a murderer before you decided for the relationship? How does one do that?

 

I think that the analogy with the old man is flawed. He would have the mens rea for committing a crime if he was ill and hence grossly negligent in driving a vehicle in the first place. Same applies to a person who drives a vehicle without prescription glasses or a person who is prone to fits. These persons all are guilty of crimes if they took action knowingly risking themselves/others.

This woman never knew that the man was a killer so it is an entirely different matter.

 

We are not omniscient and absolutely every move is a guess. Every single person on earth is capable of murder. Blaming this victim is nauseating and I am unsubcribing from the thread before I earn a ban.

 

Agreed. Agreed . (Had to lengthen the message)

 

I asked her the same thing, to list effective weapons that would keep me a safe distance from the machete and she has no answer.......

Wait a sec .... yeah, she did talk about throwing rocks, like pre-historic cavemen/neanderthals did who were being chased by dinosaurs and the like....

 

How long did the victim know her murderer before she moved in with him?

 

The elderly driver in the example made an error that led to a fatal accident. If he had the necessary information to make an informed judgment he would not have made the error.

How long did the victim know the murderer before moving in with him?

 

Thanks for the chat.

 

I'm not sure what it is. It's definitely not human though.

 

Totally irrelevant. I have a right to assume that no one is going to kill me in any context - whether it is while driving my car, riding my bicycle, partying in a club, living with another human being. To say I should have known better is to attribute blame, which as you have pointed out, is inappropriate when something happens that no one could reasonably have foreseen. I cant help wondering why we are having this discussion?
Are you of the sort who blames women for getting raped for dressing too sexy?

 

This is not so. People make bad decisions all the time knowing that they are doing so or how would you explain people committing crimes?

 

Are mistakes and crimes the same thing?

 

Pleade advise as to why a ban may result here. As a newbie, I am surprised by this statement in this context.

 

Well what is the point of highlighting mistakes in this context? You may as well say it was a mistake that her parents had her - or that she happend to be at the place that he was when she met him for the first time, or that she didn't go to the movies that night (you get my point). Mistakes are only relevant in a criminal context (which a murder is) if they contributed in some way - such as when I am negligent in the way I drive, and so are you, meaning that we both are to blame and I would be entitled to less damages from you if I suffered injury based on your negligence because I contributed to my loss.

So again I am left wondering as to why you raise the issue of mistake if it is irrelevant to a murder scenario.

 

Hmmm... assuming firearms are verboten then perhaps a longbow or a crossbow? Maybe a pike or a mace?

Or. my personal favorite...



Crispy critters, anyone?

 

How long did the victim know her murderer before she moved in with him?

 

Well this is true for the most part. Id suggest there are a few situations that vastly increase the risk of ones death at the hands of another. I wouldnt say choosing a scumbag for a boyfriend,whos never been to prison for any kind of assault (that Im aware) qualifies however.

Now a nice blond haired blue eyed Christian boy,like me, backpacking thru the mountains and ravines of the Af Pak border region would deserve some blame for getting decapitated-not a woman who misjudged the brutality of her boyfreind.

If I get murdered in Pakistan feel free to blame me.

This girl - no way.

I beleive he is the type of person that beleives scantily clad women who are raped are just asking for it. After all they must know how some men cannot control themselves.

 

The likelihood of rape depends on all the facts and circumstances. Manner of dress as a provocation is only relevant in some cultures.

One can make good decisions which reduce the chance of rape. One can make poor decisions which increase the chance of rape. The person raped is not responsible for the rape. However, poor decisions sometimes lead to being at a time and place where the chances of rape increase.