U.S. Woman Nearly Decapitated By Partner

That article says she died from a stab wound to her side. Not decapitation.

I find it strange that people are debating how the woman was raised, or the choices she made when from the information in the articles the male is a habitually violent person and the issues are all with him. People enter relationships in good faith and it is much easier to get in than get out if you are unlucky enough to tangle with someone like that.

Freud had his theories. In the real world, people see something they like and hook up for a date and then they are in it.

 

Yes and what they like means nothing other than that the prospective partner triggers their "issues". This is unavoidable even if we seem surprised (yet again ) So they are in it, by choice and design.

 

Let me clarify. The man has a record as long as your education, of violence against partners. But you are sticking with "she made a bad choice".

If she met the guy in a bar or a club or any social setting, she saw two nice eyes and a friendly smile and agreed to a date. She was possibly not even able to hear anything he said to her. She may have chosen to date him for any number of reasons, for example he could have been with people she knew and trusted or he could have helped her out, none of which is likely to be that he is a known woman beater.

Your theories apply only if the circumstances fit, i.e. if she was able to assess his personality from one look. From your experience, are you able to do that with everyone you meet? Know they are good eggs or bad apples from one meet at a party?

 

Viv you misunderstand me. I never sought to blame her or her choice. A woman should be able to choose any man and she is not even slightly culpable for what happens. Her pattern of choices has no bearing on another's criminal behaviour. Please re-read my contributions.

Of course she should rightly be able to date anyone without getting killed. No question about it. My point related to energies between people has little to do with attributing blame to the woman.

 

I am not attacking you, just clarifying your point (so I can attack in the right way ) No I don't misunderstand, if the theory you subscribe to is that women subconsciously choose a partner to be abused by, you are asserting the woman's actions caused her murder.

When plainly she could have chosen any man in the bar and any man in the bar can be an axe murderer regardless of the signals he may or may not give off. Indeed someone as practised as he is, may have been calculating enough to deliberately conceal what he is.

You didn't address the second half of the post...

 

There have been very few responses in this thread that get to the real issue here. This is obviously a racial issue. The television, music, movies all encourage young white women to date non-white men. It's everywhere now. Just turn on MTV and you'll see what I mean. White women are increasingly putting themselves in dangerous situations, and this is the result.

 

Race relations in America are rapidly deteriorating, and will not improve. They will grow worse with time. But that has nothing to do with white women dating, mating and marrying black men.

The deterioration of America itself has much to do with the decadence of American culture. The hostility between black and white goes far beyond sex. The races are now separated into opposing political camps. Most white people oppose Obama. Most black people worship Obama. There is no hope for bridging the ideological gap. But it has nothing to do with sex.

 

I can agree with you there.

 

The rapid deterioration of race relations in America is something some Americans fear to recognize. But it is unmistakeable. It is not only between whites and blacks. It also exists between blacks and latinos and whites and latinos.

Diversity does not promote unity in the absence of a shared consciousness or identity. Multiculturalism avoids assimilation, and the lack of assimilation prevents the melting pot principle from working. This is a centrifugal force working on the body politic. It leads to disintegration.

 

Bingo! You're absolutely right.... more often than not, the damage does happen during childhood where the little girl is subjected to an unhealthy environment, often w/a control-freak father - often an alcoholic - mix that in w/a mother who's not there to protect her, figuratively or literally, abuse in all forms happen and you're going to have a messed-up, confused girl, who only knows one way to live ... be submissive to men b/c that's how she was 'programmed' since day one.... (and yes, a lot of psychological damage is done to little boys too. Often they grow up to be abusive control freaks).

Some, thru the grace of God, have the strength and courage to break that cycle thru education and wanting a better life for herself and her kids, but unfortunately, most don't b/c they just don't realize the damage that was done to them - to them, it's life..... it's the only life-style they ever knew.

Here, we have women's support shelters for the women & kids to get away and be safe from the abuse & violence from the guy, whether he's the boyfriend or husband...... can't tell you how many times the woman decided to go back to him b/c she loved him. Yes, these women really do 'love' the guy, but it's an unhealthy and sick type of 'love' - she can only 'love' a guy who's beating the crap out of her. That's the only type of men those women can be attracted to, all due to the dysfunctional, abusive, control-freak father of her childhood. Therapy works for some of these women, but for many, it doesn't.

I saw/read so many of these cases when I worked for a state agency quite a few yrs ago and I think one of the most bizarre cases I heard of came from a friend who worked in that field. She counseled a couple who were court-ordered to get counseling due to domestic violence, reported by neighbors. The worst of the violence happened b/c they had to literally beat the crap out of each other in order to get 'in the mood' for love-making. When they were both laying there, exhausted, bruised and bleeding, then they would get horny..... being kind and affectionate to each other just didn't cut it.... now those 2 were made for each other.....

I know a woman who married an alcoholic - a lot of yrs of being abused and she finally divorced him. Later she met a guy and married him - another alcoholic and ended up divorced. Then she married the 3rd alcoholic - she just couldn't break that pattern of being attracted to abusive alcoholics - and she was a nurse.......

And unfortunately, it's the children in the next generation who suffers b/c that vicious cycle wasn't broken........

 

Oh I'm sorry, you mean it is a racist thread?

On what evidence do you base your assertion that all non-white males are violent toward white partners? Or do you have evidence that dating non-white men is more dangerous than dating white men?

 

sure but i'm not going to mace a psychopath wielding a blade if I don't have to. Firing a warning shot or even pointing a gun at someone is often enough to get them to stop what they are doing.

 

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Straw man and here's why.

This isn't about the victim defending herself as all of your examples were. This deals with Others getting involved in defense. If you believe that there is a good chance that you will be hacked up by interfering, you are not likely to do so.

Now if these neighbors had guns they might feel more empowered to do so. It's not a definite, but more likely they would be willing to intervene.

It's one thing to fight for your life in an attack and that's normal. It's another thing completely to risk your life to help a stranger (risk being brutally murdered)

 

really? because your ancestors lived forever right? They never died.

 

I see what you mean and sure she obviously made a bad decision retrospectively.

However, you trying to hammer down this point is a bit disturbing.

 

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What's the point of this thread except informing us of another senseless incident of domestic violence?

 

You haven't argued against my point. This is actually what I am saying. Attraction should not be the deciding factor. Rational decision-making is the key. The woman who keeps going back to the abusive man will HAVE to at some point notice the red flags inspite of the her attraction and make a decision based on her mind and not her attraction.

This is almost impossible if you casually go to fast. A person needs to stay independent and objective until they know a person...their bad side, good side and boring side.

The fact that the first date can lead into "living" with someone right off the bat is the risk factor for abuse.

 

It's just the title of the article. Which wound did her in first wasn't really the point.

Good faith = stupidity in this case, not bad luck.

http://www.thelodownny.com/leslog/2011/04/friends-say-coit-was-trying-to-get-away-from-barrera.html

Her short, miserable life wasn't the result of just one bad choice. If this abusive (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) hadn't killed her, the next one might have. Or the next one. Or the next one.

That might be the real world of a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot, but it's not the real world for the rest of us.

 

Sorry about that. Maybe some good, divisive racial stuff will come out of this eventually. You never know, she might have been (*)(*)(*)(*)ing black guys just to get back at daddy for not buying her the convertible she wanted for her 16th birthday. We'll have to wait and see.

 

I never asserted that all non-white males are violent towards women, but they are more likely to be.

 

Apparently domestic violence is more often reported within lower socioeconomic groups. Non-white males and white supremacists are overrepresented in lower socioeconomic groups.

Thus while I would never assert that all white supremacists are violent towards women, I'd think that they are more likely to be.

 

That's right, we're always hearing about those white supremacists beating up women. Wait......no we're not.

 

Are you a European?