This thread should have been called " All Presidential candidates Lie - On TV". Is there really anyone so uninformed, gullible or just plain disingenuous who thinks that lying as a presidential candidate is an (R) only issue? Really? Every Presidential candidate since the advent of TV has stood in front of the camera and lied through his teeth to get elected ( The others lied to your face or via Radio) and every (*)(*)(*)(*) one of them knew they were lying. This is the main problem in this country today; to much partisan hackery on both sides. I want this country to live with in its means, I want unemployment resolved and more than anything I want an end to this petty whining on both sides and the BS finger pointing. Do the job you were elected to do or get out of the office, we will happily show you the door. "We the People" are tired of the trailing edge of the bell curve being elected to the office of the president as well as both the houses. That is all.
So no lying is coming out about Fast and Furious? no lying is coming out about the loan that was made to Solendra? get real.
And you can't refute any of it. It has nothing to do with what we agree or disagree with the president on. It has to do with the fact that Obama has lied. If you believe for one second, that Obama never knew Jeremiah Wright was a racist filled pastor, than there really is no hope. Either he did know, and lied about it, or didn't know and is just that (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid.
Nice spin, but no, that isn't how it works. To exaggerate about what you are going to do and not do it is one thing. To lie about something that has already happened, is another. The incidents I mentioned were not about promises they make that they might not keep, its about facts that they have altered. In other words, they flat out lied.
Which particular story are you referencing and show me proof that Obama was caught lying. Do you have any proof that Obama lied, or are you just spouting off what you think happened? You need to get real - you make your accusations without any links, typical BS that you usually post.
Gingrich gives his OPINION and the poor Bobo supporters say it's a lie. Ding Dong Bobo's dead, Tuesday proved that!
well said and true , Mertex for many years , the GOP told the American people that all was well , not to worry , they had all the right answers , TRUST US , they said while waving the US flag ... next thing ya know , we got sucker-punched in 2001 by bin Laden , in 3 costly wars still on-going , , , the US Economy in shambles , , , Wall Street Republican CEO's paying millions for private islands while their own companies and the US economy goes down the toilet ... and it all happened under Republican Administrations ... what's the GOP Mantra / slogan ? ? " I got mine , you get yours ." and people actually think the GOP has the answers ...
You don't know the definition of lying. All you have shown is that Obama promised to do certain things, and hasn't done them yet. That is not lying. Well, Obama has had to change his mind many times, mostly to try and get bi-partisan support. It has become evident to most of us that the GOP doesn't want to cooperate - but it certainly doesn't mean Obama has lied. The ones that have lied is the GOP, who claimed they were willing to work with the President, but since day one have set out to destroy him. So much for loving country, the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing liars. If you were one of the ones crying that GITMO should not be closed and are now claiming that Obama lied about closing it, you are lying about not wanting to have it closed. You have no proof that Obama even heard that one sermon that conservatives have tried to use as a means to destroy him. He denied having heard it, but hate-filled people with a mind-set to destroy him will never believe that. I can't help that. But until you are able to prove that he knew, you are just spewing BS. You want to point the finger at a racist, then point it at Limbaugh. Limbaugh has made statements himself that show that he is racist, yet most conservatives swear on a bible that he isn't. That is what I call (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. The only ones that are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid are the ones that tried to destroy Obama based on the remarks of someone else but who knowingly defend the biggest racist (Limbaugh) even after hearing the crap that spills out of his fat mouth. Their hatred only grows more because they weren't able to destroy him, and now they can't come up with anyone intelligent enough to beat him.
Thank you Hillbilly, it really is sad, that the Republican party that we used to know has become a cess pool of greedy money-grubbing people with a bunch of morons to support them. It's like the morons don't realize that they too are getting the shaft from their own party, unless they are wealthy, and I doubt that any of the ones here are that wealthy. Fortunately, I think Americans are beginning to realize that the GOP (they've made it so obvious) are only concerned about the wealthy and corporations and God willing they will not get their foot in the door. We can't afford to let them continue throwing the middle-class and the poor under the bus while coddling their cronies, the wealthy.
Dream on, one day you'll wake up from your fantasyland and realize that Obama is still the President and your bimbos have gone by the wayside! Bye, bye, now!
No, that is exactly how it works and anyone with an ounce of integrity knows it to be true. Exaggeration is the only "Spin" here. I stand by what I said, Both parties candidates for president LIE. There is only one truth and one lie there is no middle ground. You are either telling the truth or you are lying. The Suggestion he simply may have over exaggerated is nothing more than spin to cover a fallacious argument that does not hold water. Obama lied, Bush lied, the GOP candidates are lying, period. Take off the Democratic glasses for me just this once and listen to what I am saying. This country has been and will continue to be run by corrupt money grubbing politicians who's only real interest is in staying in power and garnering more of it. The title of your thread would lead people to believe that it is only a Republican Candidate for president that is capable of and has lied to us. You are too smart a poster to believe that, look at it from outside the box. The title of this thread is also utterly disingenuous and highly misleading because of the way you chose to word it. Had you said; "Romney and Perry lied to us during the debate" I would have been fine with that. Instead partisan politics were being played at, the insinuation that lying is the purview of Republicans is flatly dishonest. Its the verbiage and insinuations you used in the title of your thread I find objectionable. I am what some would call a realist. I used to be a Republican but that party has lost its luster and its shine just as the Democratic party has. Furthermore, spin would require me to take a side whether that be an R or a D. The problem is I am not on the Republican or the Democrat side. I am on AMERICAS side, try it sometime. The only real spin here is the propaganda coming from the media on both sides. It is past time the people in this nation woke up and realized both parties in this country are useless and are concerned with ONLY one thing, staying in power.
No, all presidents make promises they can't or won't keep for various reasons. It is evident that you will continue to challenge that in view of facts presented you. You can't change incomprehension. Lying is totally different. Like when Perry told the Tea Partiers in Florida that all he got from Merck was a $5 thousand dollar contribution, when in reality he got a lot more, now that is a flat out lie. I know most conservatives, especially the Tea Party variety don't care if they lie - and you have shown no difference, either. Deny all you want - even Bachmann has called him out on that. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4210...-got-from-merck-for-sex-vaccine-drug-mandate/
I havent forgotten... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TOmo3CZOU"]Obama's Lie: Libya - "Humanitarian act?" (Must Watch) - YouTube[/ame] Everyone knows we need to Bomb people in order to save them.....
Two things real fast for you. First do not ever put words in my mouth and never question my ability to comprehend anything you say. Comprehension and agreement are two separate entities. Second I am not one of posters here that you can bully or browbeat into submission. Now on to your post, all I have to say is "Moving the goal posts". I am finished here until you learn to debate in a civil manner.
Although,I agree about the HPV balogna,Perry was speaking in the sense of private sector jobs,NOT Government jobs. A report awhile ago stated the stimulus created or saved 450,000 state/local Government jobs,however,it DESTROYED or forstalled over 1 MILLION private sector jobs. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/study-obama-stimulus-destroyed-million-private-sector-jobs/ Economists Timothy Conley and Bill Dupor are out with a study (PDF) on the impact of the $800 billion stimulus package passed in the early months of the Obama Administration: Our benchmark results suggest that the ARRA created/saved approximately 450 thousand state and local government jobs and destroyed/forestalled roughly one million private sector jobs. State and local government jobs were saved because ARRA funds were largely used to offset state revenue shortfalls and Medicaid increases rather than boost private sector employment. The majority of destroyed/forestalled jobs were in growth industries including health, education, professional and business services. This suggests the possibility that, in absence of the ARRA, many government workers (on average relatively well-educated) would have found private-sector employment had their jobs not been saved. Searching across alternative model specifications, the best-case scenario for an actual ARRA has the Act creating/saving a net 659 thousand jobs, mainly in government. Moreover, the study suggests that most of the funding from ARRA was used by states to avert their own budget crises rather than fund new projects: A large fraction of the Federal ARRA dollars was channeled through and controlled by state and local governments.4 This is important for two reasons. First, it opens the possibility that states might receive direct ARRA allocations due in part to exogenous capacities to channel or attract Federal funding. Approximately two-thirds of all ARRA spending is formulary, of which there is substantial exogenous state-level variation in formula `parameters.’ Second, channeling through states creates an environment where Federal dollars might be used to replace state and local spending. The Act legislated ARRA funds to go to state and local governments for specific programs, such as schools in high poverty neighborhoods and highway construction. Importantly, as depicted in Table 1, states and local governments were already spending significant amounts of their own dollars on many of these programs before the ARRA.Often state spending was substantially higher than nominally targeted ARRA funding. Upon acquisition of ARRA funds for a specific purpose, a state or local government could cut its own expenditure on that purpose. As a result, these governments could treat the ARRA dollars as general revenue, i.e. the dollars were effectively fungible. Economists such as Paul Krugman have suggested that the problem with the stimulus is that it wasn’t big enough (even though there’s no record of Krugman criticizing the size of the package while it was being debated in Congress) but this suggest that the entire plan was fundamentally flawed in the manner that funds were allocated. It would have been better, it seems it would have been better to just give the money directly to the people. Or, you know, not spend it at all. Finally, this chart shows the extent to which the manufacturing and goods-producing failed to benefit at all from the stimulus: The authors defined “HELP Services” as health and education, leisure and hospitality and business and professional services and its no surprise they’ve done well, as has the government sector. But manufacturing? The lifeblood of the economy? It didn’t benefit at all and it is, as the unemployment figures can attest, still largely stagnant. All the stimulus did was GROW Government,but SHRANK the private sector. Public and Government workers mainly benefited from the stimulus,but did squat for the private sector.His next stimulus he wants well also go to more Government and union pockets,and AGAIN not benefit the private sector.
What happened to "Shovel Ready"?If the stimulus was successful,why are we still in the 9.1% unemployment hole? The thing is,we can fund all these road,bridge,and school upgrade projects,but what happens when the projects are complete or the funds dry out?All the stimulus Obozo wants is more money to grease his union stooges pockets in exchange for votes.Im not buying it,and neither are alot of SocialCrats.
That was an $840 Billion dollar lie. Unemployment has dropped under 9% for 2 whole months since the stimulus was passed by all Democrats.
How can you take the author seriously when he claims that none of the stimulus funding went to the private sector- who do you think does most of the infrastructure work for the government? There have been projects all over my state with signs saying they were payed for by the stimulus. Then this assertion that the stimulus "destroyed" private sector jobs is silly, especially when the writer offers no evidence for it or even a plausible explanation. Oh, and Krugman did call out the stimulus plan for being too small well before it was passed.
Solyndra took almost a half a billion and ran with it. It looks to me like the stimulus was a giant payoff to Obama supporters. That would account for it's lack of creating jobs.
Strange how people can go from "all republicans on stage lied at some point" to "obama blah blah blah"
It's obvious that no one can even convince you of "facts", much less brow beat you. And, when it is apparent that someone isn't getting the gist of the discussion, it is called lack of comprehension. It is a fact that Perry, Bachmann and Romney have flat out lied, that you are trying to make lying into a broader umbrella is obvious, but it doesn't fly. Nobody has moved the goal posts. Like I said before, that you didn't get, all presidents make promises they are unable to keep. Perhaps some never intended to keep them, in that case you could consider that they lied. However, many of the promises that Obama made, he has been unable to keep because of the recalcitrant Republicans that happen to control the House, in case you were unaware of that fact. Perry, Bachmann, Romney they have all flat-out lied, that you won't admit it is another thing. If you can't stand when someone challenges your inane suggestions and claim it is "uncivil" you might just want to agree with other conservative posters rather than try your spin on those who have experience with it.
Are you retarded?....The recent audit of the fed revealed they took 16 trillion and shipped it to their criminal buddies overseas ,and that isnt including the 12 trillion that they allocated from Soetoros 800 billion stimulus......................THAT is at least 28 trillion, the inflation hasnt arrived in it's full horror,it takes time....but anyone with 2 brain cells can understand that no where in our history has the fed created so much $$$...................
They don't like when Dems/Libs call attention to Bush doing the same thing, but they sure don't mind doing it when defending their own! LOL!
