Yep as I have noted in a couple of other threads the Democrats did NOT do well last night and will be suffering for it. They are losing the minority vote and there was more excitement by far on the Republican side. And now they are panicking ‘Dumpster fire’: House Democrats trade blame after Tuesday’s damage Some in the party questioned the tactics at the top, with several Democrats demanding an overhaul within the DCCC. House Democrats are asking themselves one question after Tuesday’s election stunner: What the hell happened? In the House, bleary-eyed Democrats were still sorting out the wreckage when they awoke Wednesday with dozens of their members’ races still uncalled and not a single GOP incumbent ousted — an outcome that virtually no one in the party had predicted in a year in which Democrats were going on the offense deep in Trump country. Even with tens of thousands of ballots still to be counted, shell-shocked Democratic lawmakers, strategists and aides privately began trying to pin the blame: The unreliable polls. The GOP’s law-and-order message amid a summer of unrest. The “hidden Trump voters.” The impeachment hangover. The lack of a coronavirus stimulus deal. Some corners of the party were also beginning to question the message and tactics at the top, with several Democrats predicting — and some even demanding — a significant overhaul within the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, including possibly even ousting chairwoman Cheri Bustos, whose Illinois race has yet to be called... ...https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/dems-post-mortem-election-2020-434044
Democrats suck, trump sucks worse which is why we just has the largest turnout since the early 1900’s and that is with current number. We might be passing even that Republicans hitched their wagon to a bankrupt fraud and have likely lost the White House for the next 12 years (incumbent presidents are extremely difficult to defeat) trump is (if the election holds) The third impeachment president, the fourth incumbent president to lose reelection, the third Republican in a row to leave with a worse economy than they entered with, and hopefully the first incarcerated former president. What a record
And the Democrats had a terrible night losing seats in the House, not taking the Senate, Republicans increase their percent of minorities and I hear white women and one of the reasons my state flipped in the Senate was the impeachment, the only President to face a global pandemic the likes of COVID but has seen the best improvement EVER and that includes Biden's failed 2009-2015 recovery attempts. The first President to face a BLANTANT opposition MSM media. The first President to face and national fiasco of an election due to Democrats trying to change the rules to their favor. Yep now we have a President whose family is under a criminal investigation with ties to him who has no sense of accomplishment in 47 years in Congress, his only job other than lifeguard that I know of. One whose mental capacity is diminishing before our very eyes and a Vice-President waiting in the wings who could not even get 1% support from her own party, with not record of leadership other than her term as an AG in a job she slept up to. Fortunately it appears the Reps will retain the Senate and buffer the radical socialist let's wreck the economy policies until the mid-terms and the Republicans can win even more seats back and take back the House. BTW do you think Pelosi and Schumer can survive as the Congressional leaders?
I dislike Pelosi. I dislike Schumer. I dislike Biden. I am fiscally conservative, I support strong borders and national defense, I care about our economy, our position in the world, decorum and norms, I support our police and our military — I also care about science, our environment, education, the integrity of our institutions, rights, equality and freedoms for all. But I hate trump — everything you just posted is irrelevant to me, my vote was to remove trump. Nothing more, nothing less.
We have 69.5 Republican voters in this country that voted for Trump cause they love him and hate the Democrats, and the Democrats won 73.5 million voters cause an extra 11 million hated Trump enough to vote for Biden. Democrats have lost seats in the house, and they'll likely lose the Senate. They no longer control the Supreme Court. There are serious questions about the election that will haunt a Biden administration, and the his involvement with Hunter's business scheme will be an odor that follows him around. He one cause of old, white collar men that will most likely abandon him if Harris runs in his place. But these are issues to discuss after Republicans take Congress. I can't see how Democrats win in 2022 when Trump was able to win White college educated women according to the exit polls. This is a loss for Trump, but a huge win for Republicans that don't have to defend his antics.
Oh you made a distinction between and the Democrats are still in big trouble. And if you are fiscally conservative which parties policies do you support, did you support Trump/Dem of Pelosi/Rep? Do you support Biden's call for higher taxes and more regulations? Which fiscal conservatives did you vote for, how did you vote for in the Congress? Again BTW do you think Pelosi and Schumer can survive as the Congressional leaders?
AG Barr should go ahead and appoint a Special Prosecutor if Durham has not already taken up the Biden family criminal investigation and the Trump administration should start a huge unmasking and spying campaign on the Biden campaign and if he wins transition team and start sending FBI agents to interview them all.
I don’t “support” either party as they both spend with reckless abandon. Yes, I support higher taxes until our debt is paid down and I support some regulations. And before you attempt to classify me according to your own definition of a fiscal conservative, I don’t care what someone classifies me as that supports a president that has spent an average of 1T per year during a “good” economy. To your last question, I do not know nor do I care. They are all the same on the debt.
If they return to their roots and support everyday folks, they'll be fine. Before they take control of the White House? Voters got rid of Trump. Too much pandering and not enough support for Joe and Jane American. They should have promised they would never give in on healthcare. The polls were likely off because of the virus. Indeed. BLM probably cost them the Senate. Holding protests without condemning the violence that followed peaceful protests was cowardly and self-defeating. It's not that people didn't think Trump deserved a rebuke, but they weren't happy about taking up time with a nonstarter. They should have taken a deal then condemned Republicans for not doing more. The Sanders wing is like the Trump wing in the Republican Party--out of touch with average folks, caustic, and ultimately destructive.
@cd8ed If my analysis, whatever would be the next leaders the economy would be much much worse in 10 or 20 years. I doubt anything could be done at that level if not limiting the damage, but I don't blame Trump for that because there is deeper troubles.
Joe is okay, but I always use sharp knives and I'd be searching around in the drawer if I picked up Biden. Smells like the political middle who decided this election. We got Trump because Joe and Jane American have been screwed by both parties for forty years. If that guy isn't a warning shot across our collective bow, I don't know what is.
I honestly could not have asked for a better election result than what we got. Trump is almost certainly gone, which is undeniably good. And, the Democrats got slapped in the face everywhere else. That's also good. They didn't deserve to win, it's just that Trump deserved to lose. If the Democrats lack of wins in Congress and at the state level force them to question whether moving further and further left and entertaining every foolish thought that comes out of a progressive's mouth is actually a good idea, I couldn't ask for a better result. It might even bring the end of Pelosi, and less influence for the fruitcakes like AOC. Hopefully the Democrats move a little further towards the middle as a result of this. That certainly seems to be the mindset of some in the party right now.
The Reps don't even come close to the Dems although with the RINO's taking more seats that gap shrunk. We need more fiscal conservative Republicans don't you agree? Else point me to the fiscal conservative Democrats. We can't pay down the debt until we get the economy back into high gear, you are putting the cart before the horse. And I would remind you the last time we had surpluses which enable us to fight the deficits it was under Gingrich/Kaisch Republican budget policies and that included tax rate cuts on capital which kicked the economy back into high gear and flooded the treasury and then the next time was when Bush/Republican policies when after the 2001 recession with tax rate cuts at the forefront the deficit was lower to $161B. The Democrats took back the Congress including Biden and Obama in the Senate supporting their policies and then the even had the WH. Had did the deficit and debt do them? How did the slowdown, then recession and then recovery go under their policies. And Trump requested less spending each year in his budgets and in fact budget cuts and got attacked for it. Again more fiscal conservative Republicans in Congress is what we need, give me your alternative. We are lucky the Republicans will retain the Senate if the Democrats take the House, the Senate AND the WH you really think they will be fiscally responsible and attack the deficit and the debt?
Trump and the Republicans were, the Democrats will not and instead as under Biden/Obama earnings will fall the jobs will be lost if they pass their policies.
The only time Republicans are fiscal conservatives are when a Democratic president is in the White House. My alternative is a slight Republican majority in the Senate, a slight Democratic majority in the House and a Democratic president indefinitely I would much rather have three to five parties constantly vying for those positions and being competitive but the duopoly will never allow that to happen.
That is what the DEMOCRATS are saying...........DEMOCRATS are calling it a dumpster fire and lamenting the results. Everyday folk were voting more towards Republicans and without jobs and rising incomes they will not be fine. Joe and Jane American haven't done as well as under Trump in decades, especially minorities and it showed in the voting and the Democrats are running scared. To have made it a personal vendetta against Trump because you don't like him personally is folly for a voter and certainly not in their best interest. It was supposed to be a blue wave because of that according to the Democrats and they got spanked.
False they were so under Bush with a Republican Congress. We have done best when fiscal conservatives are in control. Not Dems and not RINO's.
Not that I saw. I had what turns out was a forlorn hope Trump might be a populist, but then he turned around and cut rates for the top bracket, giving 85% of the tax cuts to people making $400,000 per year. Could be. If they put money into energy research, we might not take a hit. But if they get all worked up subsidizing and implementing present technology, we could be dumping a lot of money down a huge hole. Some five or six years ago, my brother-in-law put in a $50,000 solar panel setup on his roof in sunny Medford, OR and only had to pay $12,000. Too much of that and you'll be right.
The Sanders types are making all the noise. Of course, they would make things worse. Biden won some of the middle from Trump where Sanders would be rejected. Two graphs say the truth is otherwise. Economic growth in Obama's last three years was almost identical to Trump's first three years. Real wages didn't increase much. There is a way to increase economic growth and make sure workers get a better cut than they do now. Neither party has done much for workers for 40 years. Trump is a false prophet. So what? They didn't deserve a blank check--for a lot of reasons. They won the House, but I think they missed the boat with some moderates by how they reacted to rioting after peaceful protests.
