‘Whose Children Are They?’ Eye-opening film takes on teachers’ union, CRT, sexualization of youth

Oh, geezuz—another Trumper misrepresentation. Listening to students identifies where places where admin might focus more attention. Please, never get involved with running a school.

We have a hard enough time recruiting STEM instructors as it is. This from the Florida Department of Education:



Are you trying to bury public education? What's your replacement? Private schools aren't going to have cameras in classrooms. (I'll let you in on a secret: public schools won't have cameras, either, because administrators don't want people to see the lack of discipline in schools.)

Me? I would never even consider teaching in a school with mandated cameras. Why? Students shouldn't have to sit in a Kid Jail with Cameras because of lies told by rightwing extremists. No young person should have to worry about their comments as a teen coming back to haunt them in Woke America. I won't be party to that.

 

You and @HockeyDad have no clue about educating students.

 

Of course. Having worked in schools the last 24 years, I don’t have a clue what I’m doing….Anymore profound comments…

 

Where was the misrepresentation? We're talking about lack of supervision of teachers. Not identifying places where admin might focus more attention. Two different subjects entirely. Seems to me that you're just trying to move the goal posts now.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah. You've posted that same thing about 50 times now. Its not helping your case putting yourself on repeat. Want to attract more educators? Real ones? Then push colleges to stop providing idiotic classes like UC Berkley's "Joy of Garbage" class or so many different "humanity" classes. They're all worthless and does nothing to help humanity.

Don't care about private schools. They're private. They can do whatever they want. But you did give another reason to have camera's. Maybe if people saw the lack of discipline the admin would actually have to do something about it instead of shoving it under the rug. And this is exactly why parents should be involved instead of the leftwing ideology of believing that parents should have no say in what is taught in schools. Schools elect the school board members that are a part of the administration of schools. If administrators don't want to add camera's because it will make them look bad then by god get them out.

Dude, you're providing examples of why we should have camera's more than I am. Are those rightwing extremist lies also? You're shooting yourself in the foot here and don't even realize it. And stop with the emotionalist argument. "Kid in Jail with Cameras"? Really?

As far as your worry about kids comments being posted on the internet make a law against any of those camera's video being posted online without a judges authorization illegal. Minimum of 5 years in prison and 100k fine. That will solve that. See, simple fix.

 

Florida Education Parental Rights Anti-Grooming Bill

While recognizing the valuable work of dedicated teachers with appreciation one must also take on the extremist elements that claim to speak for them.

Well, they are in the center because they stuck their self righteous noses into the center, and I doubt the CEO was pushed into anything, this is just backpedaling.

The opposition had every opportunity to mount a reasoned fact based argument against it, and instead went for slander and lies, confirming that there is no fact based reasoned argument against this very reasonable bill.

And that's even with the false "don't say gay" set up to the questions. Even our Idiot Boy President jumped in with yet more slander and lies.

I don't buy this crap about corporate Americans being "bullied into" these ridiculous woke stands, I think they seek out the opportunity. I hope they like their new woke friends because they are dead to us.

When it comes bullying, one either takes it or fights back. good for this Governor, Legislature, Parents and State. Our children need to be protected from the Groomer Filth.

 

I'd be taken aback if I found out you taught students.

 

You're 110% wrong. Schools are very flat organizations and administrators rely on keeping their ear to the ground.

Want more STEM educators? Raise the pay, help STEM teachers keep their skills fresh and stop disrespecting teachers with Trumper lies about them being perverts.

Yes, and voucher schools won't have cameras.

States and school districts in Republican states have lousy discipline. Stop blaming liberals for schools in Republican states and communities.

You hired these people.

Good teachers won't put up with cameras. I was head of bargaining for my 2,000+ member union and I had a heck of a time fending off teachers wanting a contract clause against administrators listening into classrooms on the two-way PA system. They were up-in-arms over several incidents of snooping.

You don't seem to understand politics any better than you understand teaching and teachers.

 

Kinda hard to take anyone seriously who blames all of our problems on an imaginary boogeyman.

 

I’ve spent my entire career working with at risk and special needs youth. The last 24 years in a school setting.

 

In a public school where you're a staff member?

Unless you're willfully blind, you know there is a shortage of qualified STEM teachers, administrators aren't weeding out bad teachers, admin often take state money earmarked for special needs and put it into other programs, they demand high school teachers pass students because failing too many looks bad, and on and on. Teachers? Perverts? Very few. Communists? Of course not. Liberal? Most.

Remember, you (the public) hired them.

 

It's 2022. Its time to come into the present rather than rely on outdated systems that were only useful in smaller schools.

Agree on the raise and keeping their skills fresh. I never called them perverts.

They should if they're public schools.

Did you think my suggestion only applied to liberal states and districts? Its for ALL public schools.

Many were hired when people trusted teachers to do the right thing. That trust however has been eroded by activists infiltrating the school system and years of decline of educational rankings.

They don't sound like good teachers to me. If they have nothing to hide why are they worried about their bosses listening in and watching them? Sounds to me like they're trying to hide something that they are doing that they know is wrong.

Pretty sure protecting children is everyone's goal regardless of political position. You had a problem with something, I came up with a solution. Do you have a better idea that would still allow those camera's? I doubt it. Since you refuse to even consider that they're a good idea. What's interesting is that I would bet that you probably advocate police wearing body cams. As most sensible people do. They had the same objection you tell me teachers do. Yet you and I would still advocate for body cams for them. What's the difference? In both instances its about protection of the innocent and the state employees.

 

Schools are larger than in the past with even flatter organizations.

I said you should stop blaming teachers for the shortcomings of schools. Blame states, school boards and school management.

Teachers haven't hired any of these people. Stop blaming them.

Management was harassing them for actually doing their jobs.

My last principal was trying to cover up the drug problem in his school. I organized my colleagues in the social studies department to address the problem as a "current event" (part of the curriculum). The school was supposed to have a drug education program and the admin was quite simply refusing to implement one. He was pressuring teachers to stop teaching it as part of current events.

Wrong. There are people on all sides using schools for their own political ends.

Cameras have no place in public schools.

I considered and rejected them.

A parallel would be having cameras in all public spaces. Are you okay with that?

 

Most of my career was in a non public school for at risk and special needs students. Now I’m in a public school in a rural school district.

 

Kinda hard to take anyone seriously that refuse to believe an obvious reality just because it isn't politically convenient.

 

Like I said. Its 2022. Time to update the system.

I do blame those. I also blame teachers when warranted. Such as teaching sexual orientation and sexuality to kindergarteners.

You just showed another point in favor of camera's. They would expose such things.

So you don't think that a law preventing anyone from uploading the recordings from these camera's onto the internet would not get passed? Time to get rid of that politician.

And yet in all of our postings in this thread you've given what...3? excellent reasons why they should be.

Ever been to Washington DC? There's a camera on pretty much every corner. Fun fact: There are also sound sensors spread through out the city to detect gun shots. So much so that they can pin point where the gun shot came from pretty accurately.

 

Sorry no the public the one to ten percent of them that actually vote in a school board election, most of whom couldn't tell you who they voted for unless he or she was a close personal friend, didn't hire anyone the school board did. Note those numbers are changing big time because moms and dads suddenly discovered that the school boards they always thought were completely apolitical and assumed they shared their views found that idea was bogus and are damned unhappy about it.

 

I've taught in rural and urban areas.

Rural kids are different. They know how to work. I had a 6'5” center on my basketball team who could stuff a basketball over his head backwards from a standing jump. On my girls team, the guard would shock everyone by jumping up at the foul line in the backcourt and pegging it on a straight line to our player 80' away at the other end of the court to beat a press. Our babysitter (also on my girls BB team) and a field hockey player used her stick on her opponents' legs. She was nearly 6' tall and strong as a ox. They were all farm kids. Smart off? No way. They worked hard in school, too.

The problems in our schools are in urban areas.

 

Your narrative is nonsense. The real world doesn't work that way.

 

You have no idea what the real world is. Go back and check the turn outs for school board elections they are miniscule. There was one in a small town here in ok that ended in a nothing nothing tie after even the candidates didn't even vote.

 

Get a clue. Kids can be told some families have two dads and others have to moms. There's nothing about sex or sexual orientation.

Cameras aren't going to happen.

Good teachers will quit. Is that reason enough for you?

Many times.

What does this have to do with cameras in schools?

 

Dude there are cameras every where if we have cameras safe guarding our houses why would we not want them safe guarding our children to say nothing of protecting the teachers from older kids who might wish them harm? If teachers are so afraid that what they are teaching might offend some one
Maybe they shouldn't teach it.

 

Bold: No? Really?!?!?!?!
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If ONLY that is all that it was about.

Both of these were said about cops wearing body cams. Guess what. Good cops didn't quit and they got body cams.

Chopping things up? You asked me a question. I gave a real life example of it already happening. Then threw in a fun fact.

 

You don't understand the relationship of teachers and students if you think there's a parallel. At the elementary level, teachers spend literally hundreds of hours with individual students. If every hug, touch, etc. is subject to camera angles and misrepresentation, teachers will not risk losing their reputation or even liberty by axe-grinding parents or admin.

But you go right ahead and see what happens. Don't pay any attention to what the former head of bargaining for a teachers' union tells you.

 

Oh please. I know perfectly well that students and teachers can have close relationships where they hug each other. I used to hug some of my teachers too. EVERYONE knows that happens. ESPECIALLY with small children. No one is going to get fired or sued or whatever over such. But if you're actually worried over such some policy can be made for it.

 

Florida Bill Already Doing Its Job, Teachers Abandoning Profession as Open Child Grooming Could Become Virtually Impossible.

"Robert Thollander, a sixth-grade teacher in Orlando, said he plans to make the career change to real estate after a group of parents took issue with his discussing his gay marriage. He told NBC News that he thought the parents had been empowered by the bill."

"The law is doing its job of giving the kids back to their parents."

Deranged Adults are wigging out that they are no longer allowed to teach your first-graders about sex.

"Parents who don’t think that teachers should be teaching someone else’s young children about sex seek to restrict the practice in the classroom." Some of "the left is hysterically characterizing this legislation as an attack on the personhood of LGBT people everywhere."

Some "people want the public school system to teach young kids how to, you know, read and write, rather than discussions about gender and sexuality."

"it is a very dangerous assumption to make that a person qualified to teach children phonics or long division will serve as the best confidant and counselor for a child — the assumption being, of course, that all parents who might have something different to say about the child’s sexual desires or gender confusion than his or her LGBT teacher are abusive, and children must be protected from them."

"if this law is a dealbreaker for certain teachers — if they won’t be able to infuse their sexual morals into the way they teach your children academics, they’re quitting — well, then, the law is doing its job, isn’t it?"

Indeed!