“Jordan clinches Speaker nomination”

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  1. AARguy

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    So you LIKE higher gas prices?
    You LIKE high inflation?
    You LIKE open borders?
    You LIKE more folks dying from fentanyl?
    You LIKE violent crime?
    You LIKE arming the terrorist Taliban?

    Why?
     
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    Trump has a big mouth but that doesn't effect my family's safety or prosperity in any way. Biden's open borders, high gas prices and skyrocketing inflation all DO.

    The GOP is rich in younger, talented guys from DeSantis to Scott and more. My only problem with Trump is his age... and we have lots of good alternatives.
     
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    So you DENY that gas was cheaper under Trump?
    You DENY that inflation was lower under Trump?
    You DENY we had no European war under Trump?
    You DENY that violent crime was lower under Trump?
    You DENY that the border was more secure under Trump?

    Wow
     
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    Then put one of the alternative up, nominate an alternative. Trump is way too disliked for the person he is to even dislodge Biden. It wasn't Trump's policies that lost him reelection. It was independents who voted for Trump in 2016 46-42 over Clinton with 12% voting third party against both. In 2020 Trump lost independents 54-41 to Biden. A swing of 17 points. Why? policy wise, independents were fairly split on those, for some, against some. But they really, really disliked Trump, the person, the individual, the man. As I said, it wasn't Trump's policies, it was Trump himself with his very unpresidential behavior, behavior one would expect more of a 4 year old spoiled brat than a 77 year old man. His behavior was deemed way below the dignity the office of the presidency deserves.

    We don't need someone occupying the office of the presidency who has the persona of a WWE wrestler in a pre-fight interview. If you have someone else as you state, run him.
     
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    What does a TV show have to do with the flash mob violence that has so devastated San Francisco and other cities under Biden's watch?
     
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    With Biden getting wars started from Europe to the Middle East... folks talking "nuke" from Russia to Iran to China... and violence breaking out all over the USA... perhaps a WWE mindset is exactly what we need.
     
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    How do you get that deduction, AR?? Biden did NOT start any wars . Russia did and the Terroirs' Hamas group did.

    If ever a POTUS has been challenged by world events unfolding and deterioating as they have been , it is Biden. He has kept his cool, He has not played the blame game.....just to blame someone.
    No one said he is perfect, but I would rather have his experience and wisdom in the Oval office during this critical period. What we don't need is an over reactive , petulant , immature firebrand prejudicial bloke in charge.
    I understand that you like and support Trump. That is your choice and right.
    IMHO....... T does not deserve the support peple like you give him. As his court issues continue , we will learn even more about his shyster style shenanigans.
    He is a lousy communicator......and the whole world can see that.

    He is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to leadership skills, financial management, ethics , standards and principles. His cruelty to others that he designates as his enemy (against him) is appalling and inhumane. How many peoples lives have been ruined after they were "touched" by him.
    You might be giving him a lot more credit than he is worth.
    To be fair , it is important to give Biden fair credit for what he has managed to accomplish against a lot of bellicose resistance . from the Trump influenced GOP. ( actually GOP is a misnomer now.......as they have fallen so far down and are so disagreeable they can hardly be called a political party anymore. THEY don't know what they are since Trump tainted them with his populist ideologies. And revenge filled behavior and words (threats)
    He might have had some valuable ideas....but they were not followed through effectively (poor leadership qualities and a serious lack of consistency)
     
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    Spending appropriations is NOT a budget. It can be part of one, but it is not in of itself a budget. A budget not only has spending items, but it caps spending at insert amount here. If it's a good budget, it will include something called projections, like say five years out or further.

    https://rollcall.com/2023/04/14/congress-will-miss-its-budget-deadline-thats-not-unusual/

    As for answering the question, in Congress's current dysfunctional operating system in the short term the answer is, it doesn't. They will pass another CR(Continuing resolution) which will last for a couple more months before we do this dance all over again.

    In the long run, this dysfunctional mishap of a spending hazard has repeatedly driven up the costs of the government, which is why the government can continue to break record funds and STILL be in the red.

    And so that answers your last paragraph. It isn't so much that the shutdowns cost the government, but that the government was already facing a deficit shortfall and stopping the federal activity/payments could only increase said shortfall(the interest rates and those indebted still want to collect.)

    One major issue of misinformation, that has permeated Washington is that because the government can print its own money that means that it has different financial rules than its citizens. This is only a half truth, that omits important context. As above, those who the government are indebted to, will still want to collect. And its up to the government to still be able to cover interest costs to keep the economy going strong.

    And the higher the interest, the higher costs are. And while the government can print its own money, it cannot print its own value. So if the monetary value doesn't equal production, that is what we call inflation. Actually, all of the flations, stagflation/deflation/depression is when the monetary value is at an imbalance with the market production.

    What does this then have to do with the local economies and us personally? Well, the more government costs, the more it takes in taxes(because government does not, on its own have a monetary function). Taxes, by their nature DEPRESS output. That's another financial truth that has escaped Washington. And the reason it's escaped Washington is because 'Hey, it worked in the 50s, surely it can work again'.

    But the GDP-Debt was barely a quarter of what it is now in the 50's. In other words the government could afford to put the squeeze on the citizens and they could still make ends meet. The government can't really do that due to the combination of the government's demands and our lack of fiscal health.

    All a mass tax increase would do now, is assure a new mass depression, as the government eats its own citizens to feed itself, as the citizens starve.

    So while we're continuing this financial lecture, let's address the elephant in the room: Why has lowering taxes(the GOP baby) not worked as they planned? Well, to no economist's surprise, if you lower taxes while having high government costs, the government's demand will be larger and the government will now be feeling the squeeze.

    All of this leads back to the Treatise on Economics and John Locke, the founding father of the Western Age of Enlightenment.

    https://political-economy.com/john-locke/comment-page-1/

    If the government allows more Ma and Pa stores to succeed, Ma and Pa will be wealthier, the government will be wealthier too and there isn't a need to try to generate wealth via taxation.
     
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    Biden deserves credit for nothing. The puppeteers who control his presidency have eff’d everything up. Part of the problem is those progressives don’t believe in countries or borders. They are “citizens of the world” who think that the solution is one big world government, like the UN. They look at the UN, see it as progressive and want to give it more power.

    Progressives don’t care about about high oil prices. Their goal is to force everyone on “green energy” even if the technology hasn’t been developed. They don’t care about inflation. The dollar is evil and needs to be replaced by s new digital world currency that can be used to crush dissenters. If a group opposes the government, the central bank can void their accounts. They don’t care about the border. There should be no borders.

    Progressives view Putin as evil, but under their world order, China will dominate him anyway. China had the ideal communist system. Give it more power, and a “benevolent” authoritarian government will fix all the problems. If you don’t believe me, ask the Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau. He’s said as much. All the great minds will address the issues under the central authority, and the “wasteful, bigoted capitalist system” will be vanquished.
     
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    So now they're bickering about parties within the party. Sub-party? What is this, parliament?

    Why exactly do we need 'leadership' in congress anyway? When I vote for congresspeople, its not a vote for someone to go along with their speaker... Seems to me more than anything else an excuse to avoid doing anything useful and just playing more popularity contest and political theatre.
     
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    Absolutely.
    The GOP doesn't just need to rid itself of Trump but they need to rid themselves of "Trumpism"
     
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    Wow. You missed the actual surrender which belongs to the current white house. You got that one completely wrong.
     
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    They need help ridding the country of old feeble joe and cleaning up DC.
     
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    That isny a real thing lol. That's a made up issue among the left.
     

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