“Look at all of the people fighting for me.”

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  1. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Luc, please have mercy and don't get them worked up. You know they are a hypersensitive lot. I can't take it. Not tonight. Please.
     
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    defending the indefensible is actually quite fanatical.......... and there is no reasoning with it. Their devotion is so extreme......that the don't care if anyone gets hurt.

    If Trump would stay out of the media and stop his rallies...........he would gradually fade.......but he makes sure the media covers his words and actions as he has to be the center of attention........ and bad attention is better than no attention for someone as narcissistic as he is He comes across like a bully..(which he is).......but his psyche is actually very fragile.......... that is why he over reacts with disproportionate anger at the slightest perceived insult.

    He does not have the true strength of / in character that is called for in afield like politics......... or even business............( He just fires anyone that isn't a yes person.)
    an aside but from a psychological point of view.....he is clinically interesting .;-)
     
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    exactly MJ.. It is not only cool with them.......but they are prepared to break the law in order to please him..........and this way HE dose not have to dirty his hands as his supporters will do it for him. He truly is a master con man. and like leader of a Mafia group ..he demands complete loyalty.......(and devotion_....... Once supporters give him that loyalty.......... they lose objectivity about the man. It then becomes a cult dynamic. They will then do anything he wants them to do.........

    I suspect that this is why he ignored the pleas of sensible peple to do something about the rioters......... and why he was enjoying watching them on TV for so long. He probably recorded them.......and replays them to enjoy those moments again and again.
     
  4. MJ Davies

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    There's the problem. It's like they have some kind of magic looking glass and all his sh!t looks and smells like roses. It's really bizarre. My kids aren't even adults and I hold them accountable for their actions.

    It would be different if they even **pretended** to apply the rules the same way. Somehow Biden is responsible for anything and everything done since his inauguration but the bad seeds under Trump, even doing stuff with his knowledge and blessing, are rated on their own so he stays pristine in their heads I guess. The man created a FAKE school and FAKE charity for no other purpose than to con people out of money. Why would anybody let him near our money?

    There have to be some serious talks about the pre-requisites for being a US President. Nobody really had to worry about writing them down because no other POTUS was psychotic and pathetic.
    He can't self-actualize. He needs to have that attention because he can't make those negative tapes from his father drown out. As long as people show up at his rallies (I don't know why. He never talks about anything different or interesting) and tell him what he wants to hear, he can lie to himself that he is wonderful. All of them want to ignore us and believe somebody cheated to win an election. The Ds could have put up Smokey the Bear and we would have elected him over the nutjob trying to sell us out to China.
    All bullies have fragile egos. That's why they bully other people. The problem is every country in the world isn't headed by stable people either. Have you ever seen two crazy people trying to work on a problem? People get mad at me constantly because I don't yell, scream, slam things, hit, etc.. When I'm upset I shut down. I'm not going to argue with anybody no matter what they say. It's unproductive.

    He is the exact opposite. He has too tones - absolutely fell in love (usually with dictators) or "X person was fired for incompetence" (by "incompetence he means they are literate and know how to manage things correctly - in other words "not his way"). Bullying isn't leadership. That's why he was staring at us stuck on stupid about COVID. He doesn't know how to lead and he's kept those of us without thick blinders on in an perpetual state of "fight or flight" because he doesn't know how to smooth waters.

    Why in the hell would somebody want to vote for someone that is constantly terrifying them? "They are going to take your country" and "You want your country. Go peacefully protest while I tell you a straight up lie about Pence's authority regarding the certification." and other craziness. Most people want to stay away from people that are constantly scaring them. He scares them AND makes them think he's the only one that can stop them from being scared? Seriously?
    He doesn't have any strengths other than lying and cheating people. That's who he is. Please don't ask me to explain why anybody be cool with someone lying to them and cheating them. I don't know.

    And, now, what he's done is basically *weaponized* his unrelenting grudges by filling their heads with toxic waste and grooming them to repeat that all across the country if he is found guilty. Just thinking about Pence during his time as our VP, there was not one thing he did to steal the show from the Liar-in-Chief. For almost 4 years, he did his job and remained loyal to his President. He hasn't even really maligned him in public since the riots.

    Do they NOT see there is something fundamentally wrong with someone willfully telling a lie in the hope of it causing physical harm to a person that did absolutely everything by the book? That's insane.

    If Trump could throw Pence under a bus, why would any of those rioters think he would have their backs when they were arrested? Giving only works in one direction with him and his psychologist niece told us. He always wants more and more and more.
    I don't find him interesting. He exhausts me and I'll never forgive him for not getting those Capitol officers help immediately.

    I don't really hate people but as close as I can get to that sentiment, he's at the top. None of those Capitol police officers got to live stress free after what their President did to them and their co-workers and he gets to sit pretty conning his supporters out of money for no reason other than his personal slush fund. He needs to go away...soon. He promised he would. Fancy that. Another lie.



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    A person that doesn't have a brain injury or some type of cognitive disconnect can receive information and process it against their beliefs and perspective. That's not happening here. They aren't processing anything. They just accept that he's being victimized because he said it and that can only make sense if they reject anything that contradicts that.

    However, there is a difference in someone saying "I just settled that lawsuit to get it over with" and blurting out the words "disinfectant" and "UV lights" and "hydroxychloroquine." and just like their vehement defense that he told the Capitol rioters to "protest peacefully" they give him a pass saying he never told anybody to ingest that stuff. So, one minute they are hanging onto his every word and then they are saying the ones that died or got sick or beat police officers should have known X, Y, Z (whatever formula puts Trump in the clear).

    They don't seem to understand they are being mind controlled but that's frightening because it's impossible to coerce someone into doing something that goes against their core values. A now former friend tried to get me to tell his girlfriend that I saw him with another woman. I was her friend too and I couldn't do it. I would have told her if I saw him with another woman because she was my friend too but he wanted me to lie to hurt her. He was furious and blew up at me. I don't respond to tantrums.

    So, where I'm *stuck* is ... of all those people that went to that rally in defense of their President (and even that was untrue. It was later reported some of them didn't even vote in the 2020 Presidential election) and he could get them to mob attack police officers, breach a Federal building and demand to be taken to our seated-VP without a moment of hesitation... we are living among quite a few psychopaths. They are so stuck in his warped world that they posted their own photos at the Capitol and bragged about what they had done.

    Something should have flashed big red blinking flags in their heads. I'm cool with the psychopaths being inside some kind of locked facility. I'm not really comfortable with Johnny's dad at my kids' school being five minutes off joining a mob to attack armed police officers. You haven't looked at your co-worker with a little side eye since the Capitol riot? Everybody gets side eye from me now. LOL
    Yes, but...the people, minus Trump, we're talking about probably aren't career criminals. The mafia bosses have their teams on lock because they all have some kind of dirt on them.

    These were soccer moms and some doctors and veterans and other **regular** people. Regular people are posting here telling us all that was cool and the one guy whose name keeps coming up around all these "events" is squeaky clean. I was a little bit surprised that they were siding with him over social media as if all private company owners have to do Trump's bidding because they would be the first screaming from the mountain top that X person shouldn't feel so entitled. But, arguing for some dude to let a nutjob back on his site is a far stretch from excusing a violent mob attack against police officers.

    That's an issue. That's a very big issue.
    Yes, it was reported that he was rather tied to the tv and wouldn't even take calls from countless terrified people inside the building.

    He was FORCED to even read that statement his attorney wrote disavowing them.

    Just last week or the one before he defended them targeting Pence. He hasn't a moment's pause for the dead officers, hundreds of injured officers, rioters that have died and all the ones in prison because of him. He throws them a bone and says he would pardon them if re-elected. He's not going to do that because he considers them to be failures. They needed help BEFORE they were convicted and, just as he did for six hours while they acted like rabid animals, he went silent.

    It won't happen in our lifetimes, but he will go down in history as a traitor. I just never imagined we'd be trying to convince the other side of that fact.
     
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    For the people that voted for Hillary you sure have a lot of nerve to complain.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Well just for starters she destroyed 30,000 subpoenaed emails and got off Scot free not a damn thing happened.
     
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    Talk to trump, he was POTUS once right?
     
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    Well if Trump is half as guilty as they say, at least we didn't vote for him BEFORE he did this and knowing he did it like the people who voted for Hillary knowing good and well that she destroyed 30,000 subpoenaed emails and still voted for her anyways.

    And now those same people want to act all aghast and morally outraged over this....:rolleyes:

    It truly does ring hollow.
     
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    Not really, I think Hillary is very corrupt but would vote for her for the fact that she is very competent.
     
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    No, definitely not, there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with Joe Biden. He is possibly the sanest, and definitely the most competent and experienced President we have had so far in this century. He is well on his way to being one of the Great Presidents. If anyone thinks differently I invite you to state the reasons why you hold that erroneous and fallacious view so I may show you how and why you are so very wrong.
     
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    Why is Hillary corrupt?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    It's also the major reason they like him so.
     
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    I automatically assume career politicians are corrupt.
     
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    I refuse to admit to Trump's culpability. Using gullible idiots for his own advantage is the quintessence of politics. It is no Trump fault that millions of Americans are ready to believe in every lie he is feeding them. The man is a GENIUS!
     
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    That explains a lot about some posts on here.... American are smarter than that. Keep playing the silly games.

    This is just one of many examples...

     
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    The voters can write-in whomever they want as they've always been able to. I can't take that away from them. But we have always had rules about who can hold office.

    Do you think there should be no restrictions on who can hold public office? None at all? Or are you okay with some, but not others?

    And lets keep in mind that I'm pretty sure outside of a guilty impeachment ruling by the Senate, there is no way to legally bar Trump from taking office again. So while I do sincerely hope there is some legitimate legal means to keep him from office, that's probably not even possible now. More likely his legal troubles will affect public perception of him, hopefully enough to keep him out of office. And of course, if he ends up in jail, I'm not sure how that works for holding office either. I do hope he ends up in jail, legitimately. Even if only long enough to keep him from getting elected and taking office.

    Surely you can find less destructive Republicans to vote for. How about DeSantis?
     
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    Write whatever you want, the bottom line is you want to take democracy away by taking the voters out of the picture in determining who they can vote for. You want to bypass the will of the voters by sham investigations. Why are you against democracy? Why are you for vote suppression? How about this: we take all democrats off the ballots everywhere because, hey, voters can still write them in. How about that?
     
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    Nope he is in cognitive decline big time...

     
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    Looks like the world says you are wrong..

    Republicans urge Biden to take cognitive test, say his 'mental decline' has 'become more apparent'

    "No, I haven't taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test?" Biden said in an interview with the National Association of Black Journalists and National Association of Hispanic Journalists. "Come on, man. That's like saying you, before you got on this program, you take a test where you're taking cocaine or not. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?"

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/9/republicans-challenge-joe-bidens-mental-fitness-ca/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...gnition-test-14-house-republicans/7743927002/

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-urge-biden-cognitive-test-assume-worst

    https://nypost.com/2022/02/09/38-republicans-call-for-joe-biden-to-take-cognitive-test/

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/biden-cognitive-decline-jackson-doctor/2022/02/09/id/1056221/

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ognitive-test-as-christmas-promise/ar-AAS9MvJ

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/white-house-doctor-is-hiding-joe-bidens-brain-drain-devine/

    https://www.westernjournal.com/some...joe-biden-immediately-undergo-cognitive-test/

     
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    If you have found that those Democrats have broken laws that would prevent them from being a candidate, by all means remove them. I encourage their removal under those circumstances! I'm not interested in criminals getting elected.

    You keep repeating, sometimes word for word, the same nonsense thing. How do you reconcile your view that voters should be able to choose whomever they want with the fact that we have always had requirements people had to meet in order to hold public office? If the voters want to elect a foreign born 14 year old child to be president, should they be allowed to? If you don't think so, clearly you're in favor of voter suppression and are against democracy.
     
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    I'm glad you feel that way because the House can do whatever the hell they want with a simple majority vote of 218-217 - unlimited, total, and absolutely complete power. Then the witch hunt investigations will be on the other foot after the midterms.
     
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    Are you talking about impeachment?

    Speaking of "witch-hunt" investigations. I'd just like to remind you that when you elect a chronically dishonest corrupt man who has been corrupt and dishonest in the public eye for decades, you really shouldn't be surprised that his opposition launches investigations. You also shouldn't be surprised when those investigations uncover wrong-doing. Not all of them have, of course, like the collusion accusations. But others have, like his attempt to strong-arm Ukraine in order to help him smear Joe Biden. And the many investigations of his activities as a private citizen.

    And you know damn well, without any uncertainty, that if the left elected a man of the same amoral fiber and corrupt background as Trump, that you'd be in favor of the same types of investigations that the left has done. You know it, I know it, the entire world knows it.
     
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    The 1/6 isn't just about the people who invaded the capitol. They are looking at all the ways that the administration could have been tampering with vote tallies. So the idea of Trump running again is frightening for those who are following along and seeing the actions taken on Trump's behalf to reclaim his title. Do you think it was a good idea for the administration to ask countless agencies and individuals to seize the voting machines and bring them to Trump? Are you okay with a candidate even thinking that was okay?
     

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