⚡Unsold electric cars are piling up on dealer lots⚡

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  1. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Not any important ones. They're still best at no load and when loaded they fail miserably. Under load is where ICEs shine- doing real work.

    You want a scooter to take you back and forth to work? Sure, get an EV. You want to or just might ever in the vehicle's life? Get an ICE.

    There's no room left to improve EVs and there's no need to further improve ICEs.
     
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    The Hidden Costs of Wind and Solar - energymag
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    The Hidden Costs of Wind and Solar. Wind and solar energy sources vary rather unpredictably in output during the day, from 0% to 100%.
     
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    Domestic sources would have been enough.

    Is it Dominion increased greatly in the Advent of the electric car.

    One laptop every 3 or 4 years it's a lot different than 2,800 laptops every 3 or 4 years.
     
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    Go ahead and show the science.
     
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    That doesn't look like it is a real site. Almost all its links are empty. They don't say who they are. They rely on having a blog article.

    Why is that the best you can do?
     
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    Electric vehicles have rapid access to the maximum torque available but are incredibly poor at towing. It's not that an EV can't tow; the issue is the significant drain on the batteries and their range while towing with any EV, including pickup trucks.Sep 9, 2022

    How Does Towing Affect the Pick-Up Range of EVs?
     
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    I publish EnergyMag.net because I want to make a difference in this world, because I feel that the most important problems of my generation are renewable energy and climate change, and because I believe that the most significant impact I can have is to help develop the energy storage sector.

    The goal of EnergyMag.net is to inform and educate the general public on the need and uses of energy storage, and to help connect energy storage technologists, businesses and capital.

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    A guy who says he wants to make a difference???

    THAT's his credentials?

    His site looks like one personal blog.

    That is just RIDICULOUS as a cite.
     
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    I see you haven't bothered to click any of the tabs, and you're dodging the substance of our discussion.
     
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    This is simply ridiculously wrong. You seem to forget that electricity is generated largely by variants of internal combustion engines. ICEs can be made to run on literally anything that can burn and can be made to flow- natural gas, LNG, propane, distillates of petroleum from gasoline to diesel to bunker fuel, all kinds of alcohols including dimethyl ether, hydrogen, and on and on- by merely adjusting for stoichiometry and combustion cycle (Otto or Diesel). There are even trash trucks that run on siphoned landfill gas produced by rotting trash.

    That's currently the definition of diversified transportation energy and it has existed in ICE vehicles for decades.

    The only reason petroleum is the preferred fuel is because it's safe, easy to produce, transport and store, and has the highest energy potential of all of them. Period.

    And that has zero to do with EVs.
     
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    And then of course there are also steam engines, which can actually be run on a renewable resource: wood
     
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    It's beyond science. It's established technology for 150 years. Try looking it up yourself.
     
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    Tru dat.
     
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    You seem to have memorized all the Environazi talking points of the Clinton administration.

    There's the one about oil industry subsidies which don't actually exist. I remember the days when it was being claimed with a straight face by the enviros that the "real" cost of a gallon of gas was $15 a gallon even though you could actually buy a gallon down the street for about a buck fifty or so (that was a long time ago and I don't remember exactly). All because of government subsidies.

    And then you've got the Environmental Justice bull that claimed that factories were killing the people living near the factory through thier emissions and had to be shutdown for the good of the people in the area (mostly workers in the factory who couldn't afford to live far from the factory) so their health could improve and they could really enjoy being unemployed.

    Or something like that.

    That whole argument collapsed when, surprise!, it was suggested that maybe they try to measure actual pollutants in the area to prove their thesis. Kinda shut the whole thing down.

    Turns out projecting deaths through economic analysis is easier than actually finding dead bodies. Who knew?
     
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    How am I doing so far?
     
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    Every central bank in the world is raising rates. We massively overexpanded the money supply and restricted supply of goods and services for the past 3 years, what did we expect was going to happen? Of course either inflation or rate hikes will follow (or both, to varying degrees).
     
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    yes, the Trump shutdown and other countries shutdowns hurt supply

    not to mention the republican run fed dumping about 10 trillion into the economy in 2019 before Covid to keep the Trump economy afloat

    once the economy started booming under Biden, the fed had to raise rates to cool it down as world supply was not there yet
     
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    EVs are the biggest climate scam going. They literally are charged by electricity that is produced with natural gas or coal. The entire car is full of oil-based materials and components. Then the battery (made partially from oil) contains rare earth elements that makes a helluva mess of the environment to produce.

    Nothing but virtue signaling.
     
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    It seems clear you are concerned that there may be mistakes being made in analyzing the impact of pollution.

    Health impacts are of significant interest to insurance companies and hospitals, so there is analysis available.

    But, I'd point out that when considering EVs, pollution isn't the only justification.

    First, there is the fact that auto manufacturers around the world are well aware of demand, as it is central to their business. Those who can't manufacture EVs are seeing big financial trouble ahead.

    Next, having our entire US transportation industry so locked into oil is an economic problem. We've seen that on multiple occasions - where oil price has made an unfavorable impact on America. Economists point to oil price spikes and COVID as the two main causes of our recent disastrous inflation. That has been hugely expensive, obviously. Diversifying energy for transportation, becoming more independent of oil price spikes, is an important economic step for America.
     
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    You seem to forget that electricity is generated largely by variants of internal combustion engines.
    Outside a car, you couldn't be more wrong.

    https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Natural_gas_power_plant

    They use turbines, which are completely different than an ICE.
     
  22. Pieces of Malarkey

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    I specifically said "variants" of internal combustion engines.

    Does a turbine burn (that's the definition of combustion if you weren't aware) natural gas?

    Does that burning happen inside the structure of the turbine (hint: the answer is yes)?

    Thus by definition it is a variant of an internal combustion engine.
     
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    Good grief that is not even close. :)
     
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    What percentage of US electricity currently generated would you say comes from burning petroleum products?
     
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    It's not about what I would say. We have agencies who watch this issue closely.

    Today, 70% of our oil gets used in transportation.

    The disadvantages of this are significant and are NOT overridden by how we produce electricity today.

    - we burn oil products on our city roads and streets, significantly contributing to health problems

    - oil price is controlled by the world commodities markets, thus we see spikes that damage our economy, over which we have no control. Economists point to oil price spikes and COVID impact on supply chain as the two main causes. We can't afford to have our economy strapped to OIL.

    - electricity generation is diversified across several fuel types, an economic advantage over being strapped so significantly to one fuel type. Some of these are fossil fuel. But, not all. Plus, electric transportation is clean - it doesn't burn fossil fuel on our city streets, nor is our economy dependent on foreign price fluctuations. Plus, we can continue to move beyond fossil fuel.

    - like it or not, climate change is real. Yet, today we consume 20 billion barrels per day, with 70% of that going to transportation.
     

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