10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations

Hey Julia why whack us in the head and then come running with a band aid.

You were not elected with a madate to pass a carbon tax.

I can wait to boot you out on your ear Gillard.



She's working for the bankers
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3OLKsQ83k"]YouTube - ‪10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations‬‏[/ame]

Bullsh!t no other words come to mind
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz5gkF3Z_FI"]YouTube - ‪Gillard Explains Carbon Tax‬‏[/ame]

She' a liar but what will this bloke do
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X2mLHdVc-k"]YouTube - ‪Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey - Question Time - Carbon Tax‬‏[/ame]

 

Where does the constitution mention mandates?

 

Hey Tank

A minority Government cannot claim to have a mandate!

And if you look in our constitution you will see that mandates are there.

 

Really? The PM isn't even mentioned in the constitution, neither are political parties, but you think that the PM is given a mandate by the voters and it's in the constitution?

 

Your jumping to conclusions again i never said that.

You might want to look at the Australian constitution for dummies thread.

 

Mandate is:

A: The authority to govern.
B: Convention of democratic authority to implement policy.

Government doesn't "need" public approval to implement policy.

 

Oh my god! Australians talking about their constitution now. FFS.

Don't lower yourselves to the US level of debate. Australians are better than that.

 

Carbon Trading Schemes and Carbon Taxes are going to be the vehicle for the largest socialist transfer of wealth to the 3rd world ever seen in human history.

We are simply accelerating the demise of the Western Economy for no good reason.

For a nation as sparsely populated as Australia, with bountiful natural resources that are perfectly capable of being sustainably harvested, it's a shame to see that soon you'll be the first to join the subsistence level quality of life that "sustainability" demands of you.

The secular religion of environmentalism is just one more sign of the decline of the West and I see California is already well into the joining you and dragging the rest of us down with it.

 

That's funny because there was a report on just tonight about Geothermal energy. If we mined just 1% of our countries geothermal potential it would provide 26 times the total energy needs of Australia. "Sustainably harvested", for starters, you can't "sustainably harvest" Coal, it takes millions of years to produce coal. And if you wanted to "sustainably harvest" it, we would certainly not be exporting it. Australia is the number 1 exporter of coal in the world. So, instead of an ETS, you claim that we should just put strict regulations on the mining and exporting of our resources? Wow.

 

No. I'm suggesting you get over your insane fear of CO2, or that your old growth forests will suddenly disappear overnight if some timber companies are granted access.

 

Nice description.

That seems to be exactly what drives the AGW alarmists.

 

No, what you told us to do was "sustainably harvest" our natural resources. What does sustainable mean? Only using an amount equal to what can be reproduced. How much coal do you think you can burn to make it "sustainable"? That's a rhetorical question btw. How do you want to restrict companies to only being "sustainable"? There is no other possible way than GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.

As for your reference to the "timer" industry. Strawman, no one claims they will disappear overnight.

 

You have an ENTIRE CONTINENT. One of the OLDEST landmasses on on the planet. With rocks billions of years old.

You have so much coal the Aussie cup runneth over. You have no fear of running out. Do your part to power the development of the 3rd world. Lets help starving skeletons have electrical light and heat. Let them have some dignity.

Coal is one of the most common substances on the planet. it's carbon. That's it. One of the most common elements on the planet. Relax, enjoy.. quit acting like scrooge screaming at Cratchet not use more than one chunk of coal to heat the office on Christmas Eve.

 

I'm sorry, "no fear of running out", are you saying we're never going to run out of coal? How much coal do you think Australia has exactly?

 

When oh when are these countries going to "develop" FFS?

Hurry up already.

 

We need to pay a subsidy to the UN, however none of our carbon tax is going to the UN. how absurd
http://bit.ly/ipVbk8

 

I am writing to you today as an ex labor supporter. I used to vote based on what the parties said their policies would be if elected. Most of the time this would have me voting for labor. Just like you every election day I would cast my vote hoping the next government would make life better for the average person (*)and they would uphold their election promises. (*)Unfortunately with the introduction of australia's first female prime minister these promises have been degraded to ones of little meaning.(*)

I can sympathise with Julia Gillard. Yes most of us are poisoning the planet and yes if something is not done then there will be problems in the future but that does not give a respected and newly elected member the right to push through a policy that thousands, if not millions of australians don't want or understand. Her ideas are in the correct place but she has given little thought to the implementation of these policies and unfortunately comes across to the Australian public as a dangerous, loose cannon, and rightly so.(*)

She was asked in parliament what she was going to do about those low income families that are worse off due to her new policies and her response was one that if she has to push you under the bus to secure her clean carbon future she will do it. What if you are one of those families though. Would you lie down and accept that the government you voted (*)in not only lied to you, but also wants you to field the bill. That they have such a lack of integrity that they would tell you to accept that this is how it would be from now on, even though we voted against it at an election of democracy.(*)

I can tell you now with certainty if I was one of the disadvantaged families I would find it difficult to pass the bill but I could not justify passing a bill that could leave thousands or millions worse off with me just to push my beliefs on them. Especially without asking the australian people to vote on such a drastic policy. Even if I wanted to do this without a clear vote from the Australian people I would need to make sure everyone understood the benefits it would bring and how the money would be used to invest in a cleaner future, through the development of clean energy alternatives.(*)

Julia gillard speaks of tax cuts and reform to offset the cost to most households for the carbon tax. Now even if that is true how will Gillard track the petrol companies, the supermarkets, the retailers and raw production facilities increasing their sale prices to the public to offset their new taxes. Simply put she cant track this or do anything about it as there are too many companies and variables involved. Even if it was possible how would she discern a legitimate increase in price due to a material becoming more scarce versus a taxation recovery increase?(*)

My question to all the labor supporters now is, has Julia Gillard told the people where these extra funds will go? Has she said sorry to us for the lies or even let the vote go to us? Has she instilled an air of trust and respect for her in the Australian people? Has she upheld her election promises? Has she thought about just taxing the polluting companies or helping them make less or cleaner waste? Has she thought about or even mentioned the implications of companies raising their prices to offset the tax? The long and the short answer is no.(*)She has not done any of these things. So how will you vote at the next election?(*)

How will you remember the lies and problems labor are trying to thrust upon you? I know how I will remember it come next election and let's just say with labors lies they could promise me the earth next election and I will still be voting liberal.

 

I hear you bud, i too am an ex labor supporter due to Gillard's Carbon Tax.

These days i dont have the party blinkers on anymore and it actually made me see the bigger picture.

Being polarised to a party is the best way to divide and conquer the people of the land imo.

Anyway Julia is working for wall street these days, thats the only way i can explain her treason in selling out not only Australia as a whole with this carbon tax/ETS but also herself.

The banker's golden girl Julia Gillard, but here lets not forget the other traitors eeeerrr golden boyz Wayne Swan and Bob Brown, they are just as guilty.

And yes Ju_LIAR will be remembered for a very long time for her lies and her legacy the Carbon Tax.

Ohh yeah and the WORST prime minister this country has seen and maybe the person responsible for the destruction of the labor party.

The sooner she and labor/greens are booted out of power the better

 

Old growth forests are disappearing at a record rate as America uses them to make soft toilet paper for their tender tushies!

 

When are we going to hear these bozo's start talking about world population reduction. Ultimately overpopulation is the problem.

 

Bull (*)(*)(*)(*). We have laws protecting our old growth timber as well.

Old growth timber is far far to expensive to use for common toilet paper.

 

The US cannot even define what old growth forest is.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=are-old-growth-forests

We really do not want to follow those idiots on their path to the third world. Let them continue to go broke. The world will be better for it.

 

Most of those forests were knocked down in the 20's and 30's before there was protection for them. Hell most of Europe's old growth timber was knocked down in "The Great Clearings" of the middle ages.

 

Pay attention sonny.

The US is so backward it cannot even define what old growth forest is. Even in 2011. It has not progressed since the 20s and 30s. That is one of the reasons the US has such an appalling environmental record and why it is going broke.

Thankfully - it will soon join the long list of irrelevant dead empires. And good riddance.

 

I did, the US forest service has defined it. That is the definition. Just because some radical non-profit environmentalist group disagrees does not mean we haven't defined what old growth forest is.

Different techniques lead to different ideas of how much is left, but that doesn't mean we haven't defined it.

Oh and spare me your anti-American prophecies of doom. In order for an Empire to collapse one has to have an empire in the first place, unless you are making the ludicrous claim that the 50 States are an "empire".

You think our Carriers are just going to magically stop plying the world's oceans?