10 reasons Trump will win

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  1. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    They do have to be paid for by cutting spending. I say those who want the tax cuts must give up the spending, that is, every dollar they want back, they lose those dollars to pay for their stuff. I think what happens is people want tax cuts, and then want someone else to give up the spending to pay for it. That's the problem.
     
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    As far as Trump's Chinese bank account I would say.

    Come on, Trump tower is built with Chinese steel. To argue that either candidate doesn't want the benefits that China brings to the table is like arguing that one candidate is going to rid America of it's oxygen dependency.

    The only path forward is partnership with China. The alternative is costly in terms of lives and money and completely unnecessary.
     
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    You mean you will eventually die. Don't chastise other people for being afraid of life and then use a lame euphemism like "pass." Gas is passed, life is ended aka deadsies.

    That said, tax cuts are often financed by those who didn't ask for a tax cut. By reform services you mean cut the ones you don't use. Sorry, but that's not how one pays for things. If I want to reduce my spending, I also reduce my living. So if you want lower taxes, fine, which roads, schools, and other services are you going to not finance? And don't fall into the trap that nothing you use if funded by my tax dollars. It is and if you want to pay less, then YOU will get less. Not someone else.

    As for Covid, it's not fear to take precautions. It's called being smart. A mask mandate in indoor public places is a smart thing to have in place. Ultimately, it's not enforceable 100% so you rely on people to be responsible and the vast majority are. Which it's funny you talk about personal responsibility and fear because it was YOUR president that FEARED panic and thus didn't provide adequate information or preparation, which are two hallmarks of good leadership, and thus made the problem worse than it needed to be. Why? Because he didn't trust the American people to be responsible. That and he feared it would cost him his job. Which is ironic given if he had gone the other direction Covid, he might have the White House locked up right now.
     
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    Yeah, but you're not using actual data. Those are your beliefs/opinions minus the poor exit polling which wasn't biased towards women, but biased towards people who were undecided and didn't want to do an exit poll.

    That said, using Trafalgar's own presidential battleground state polling, it still shows Trump losing. The only way even Trafalgar shows a Trump win is if you ignore the undecideds, who 80% of the time break for the challenger in one term presidential elections. So if you give 80% of the undecided vote to Biden, which is supported by precedent time and time again, then Biden takes MI, NC, and Penn using nothing but Trafalgar polling in battleground states. That's giving every other battleground state to Trump, Ohio, Florida, Arizona and all of Nebraska's congressional districts and Maine's 2nd district which mirrors 2016. That means Biden wins 283 to 255 in the electoral college. Again, this just a probable outcome and it could go the other way, but the odds are against it using even the most conservative biased polling data available at this point in time.
     
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    Agreed. Neither party is willing to cut spending. I would start with cutting government employees 10%. The other 90% can take fewer naps and easily make up the difference.

    Do you know how make people work for the government?

    About half of them!
     
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    Why would you cut them by 10%? That's 10% fewer people with paychecks buying stuff in an economy that's based on buying stuff? Who cares if the federal government is as efficient as you would like it to be? It pays people who buy stuff. Where the money comes from is not relevant. It all ends up in the same place.
     
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    So, what is your family going to do when there is no economy?
     
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    So why not make 100% government employees? Government is irresponsible, wasteful, and greedy. The money does eventually end up in the same place: China!
     
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    On the other hand... why is it that one part of the colossal Insurance Industry, the Derivatives markets, in 2014 were at
    two hundred and ten trillion dollars in the USA, and seven hundred and ten trillion worldwide...... but three hundred and thirty million Americans are supposed to be terrified of a thirty trillion national debt???????


    Those statistics were given by CIA economist Mr. Jim Rickards after the twelve minute mark... (around the fifteen minute mark if I remember correctly)... in this video interview.


    FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
    THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...



    On the third rock...... really, really, really smart people are hired to sell flawed ideas to millions of people.


    https://www.michaeljournal.org/arti...story-of-banking-control-in-the-united-states


    President Trump does have courage.....

    https://archives.infowars.com/trump-calls-for-auditing-the-fed/

     
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    Tax cuts that lead to deficits lead to more financing and/or fiat currency, either way, taxpayers pay the bill and the poor pay for inflation.

    Trump is the worst evil to come down the pike in the history of presidential politics. you have made an error.

    He's going around on TV clamoring for his opponent to be jailed for treason, and on top of it, he has no evidence.

    He's the first president in history act precisely like a fascist dictator, and this is the destruction of a liberal democracy, if he is not removed from office.

    Anyone who supports him is supporting the destruction of liberal democracy.
     
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    Government? Trump has been sued over 100 times from contractors he stiffed.

    And then there's.....
    • Enron Scandal (2001) ...
    • WorldCom Scandal (2002) ...
    • Tyco Scandal (2002) ...
    • HealthSouth Scandal (2003) ...
    • American International Group (AIG) Scandal (2005) ...
    • Lehman Brothers Scandal (2008)
    And that's just scratching the surface:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_collapses_and_scandals


    And pharma?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

    shall I go on?
     
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    No sir, only spending can create a deficit. The rest of your post is an emotional rant. It is refreshing to see liberals take a sudden interest in opposing abuse of power they once cheered for.
     
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    All of us should be aware of the mathematics behind the President Lincoln Greenback policy.



    https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/politics/item/abraham-lincoln-and-john-f-kennedy

    In my opinion the people who control the mainstream media are scared of President Trump because they do not trust him to go along with their scheme that has worked so well for them for so long.
     
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    I already voted for Jo. You don't have to convince me Trump is a bad person.
     
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    You did say but, but I was wondering if it were a typo given that you wrote, also, 'Trump is the lesser of two evils'. So, I wasn't sure which was the typo, the 'jo' or the 'trump'. I see now that you meant to say 'Joe is the lesser of two evils' right?
     
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    I would get rid of the IRS first, the way the left talks Trump hasn't been paying taxes in decades . What's the point of having them?
     
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    All of a sudden polls mean nothing? LOL!
     
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    Well, spending, per se, does not create the deficit. It's spending more than revenue, right?

    The rest of my post was emotion, but this part:

    He's the first president in history to act precisely like a fascist dictator, and this is the destruction of a liberal democracy, if he is not removed from office.

    You might feel that is emotional hyperbole. I disagree, because, well, the one statement by Goldwater (courtesy of his speech writer) with which I agree is 'extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice'.

    No doubt there are many factors which must manifest in order for a full blown fascist state to emerge. I would suggest that one of the first steps on that path are things like:
    1. Open and repeated statements that you want your AG to indict your political opponents.
    2. Open and repeated statements in speeches that the press is the 'enemy of the people'.

    IF these were just some fleeting remarks in the heat of a passionate speech, on one occasion, that is one thing, but he's repeated them many times.

    I"m sorry, when this type of thing is sprouting like a seedling in the chaos that the man who says these things has created, excuse me for being emotional. If there ever were a time for emotion, it would be in the defense of liberal democracy when it is blatantly under threat. All fires started out as tiny innocuous things. The time the put them out is when they are tiny, seemingly innocuous things. When in doubt, using more water than necessary isn't a bad thing, no fire fighter will fault you.

    Your statement:

    It is refreshing to see liberals take a sudden interest in opposing abuse of power they once cheered for.

    The premise, and thus the caliber of that statement is unworthy of debate. I thought you were better than that.
     
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    You really don't know how Trump operates do you? Trump has been using hyperbole for the past four years to shed light on a topic and get it in the front page of newspaper's, all he does is troll you and you want to take it all seriously.. these have been the greatest four years of my life seeing most of the left upset everyday ..
     
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    Kind of the job of a president to calm fears.
    "The only thing to fear is fear itself" comes to mind. A famous presidential quote meant to calm the public in perilous times.
     
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    No between Trump and Biden, Trump is the lesser of evils by a yuge margin. CA is already an example of what to expect. They are not the only 2 on the ballot. There is only one Jo running and she is not an elderly sex offender :p
     
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    Calling for your opponent to be locked up is popular. Everyone is doing it! Its not fascism, but it is petty and is only being used as a diversion to cover up ones own failures. The left is not fascist, but is closer than Trump. The power of big government people cheer for will eventually end up in the hands of someone like Trump. Are you willing to oppose government abuse of power and overreach even when you agree with what they are doing?
     
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    Looks like this person needed to find 10 better reasons. LOL
     

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