100,000 DEATHS

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I have no quarrel with your characterization of the pluck of New Yorkers, but I am not so sure of the quality of their leadership. The New York Times writes:
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Dr. Frieden said that if the state and city had adopted widespread social-distancing measures a week or two earlier, including closing schools, stores and restaurants, then the estimated death toll from the outbreak might have been reduced by 50 to 80 percent.

March 12 when that city had 18 confirmed cases; Ohio also ordered its schools closed on the same day, with five confirmed cases. Mr. de Blasio ordered schools in New York to close three days later when the city had 329 cases.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html

 

I can't bring myself to Monday morning quarterback Trump, Cuomo or anyone else. China probably. Second guessing is the easiest thing in the world to do.
chief of d's


Leaders make command decision, which they never want to end badly, and sometimes ... well, sometimes life just sucks. Unless it was intentional and I don't see any evidence of that. Putting patients in nursing homes I don['t understand but there is probably an explanation for that as well.

Would you have respected a single Draconian measure taken early by Trump to save lives, or denounced it as a manifestation of his fascism?

 

Futile.

Korea crushed the curve, opened things up and a couple of weeks later had to shut them down again.

The only way out is through.

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SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea reported 79 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, the most in nearly eight weeks, triggering the return of tougher social distancing curbs amid the spectre of a second wave of disease in a country praised for containing the first outbreak.
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https://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-reports-79-coronavirus-012924472.html

 

Yes. I've seen that, too.

But, there is nothing we in the USA have been as little as 2 weeks late on.

Being 2 weeks late is award winning today.

 

What does "crushed" even mean? Eliminated entirely? Pretty unrealistic.

 

Korea had several days with no new infections. Maybe that is what the poster means.

The only realistic option is herd immunity, naturally acquired or with a vaccine.
There has never been a vaccine for a corona virus.

 

And who are you prepared to say good-bye to?

If you go for herd immunity it is assured you will lose someone you know or even love

 

The CDC says that to have herd immunity we would have to have 80% of the population gettig COVID and recovering.

I would suggest we not shoot for having a quarter BILLION COVID cases in the USA.

If it's 1% fatal that would mean sustaining a death count that is fabulously above today's catastrophe. And, it's well known that the lasting and serious effects of COVID are not limited to death.

People talk about "herd immunity" and Sweden. But, even with their bad performance they are only at about 7%.

 

Asked and answered.

 

And will contain this outbreak far easier than America will

Meantime they are buying time

 

Really

When and where?

 

But there is no other alternative. I am not advocating a strategy, I am reporting a fact.

 

Time for what?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...reopening-phase.572922/page-9#post-1071720195

 

This question needs to be answered in the framework of the normal state of humanity in the USA today, including what we stand for.

We have those who are psychopathic.

But, that's not going to be a foundation for making a decision to sacrifice huge numbers of Americans for the pleasure of those who prefer not to care.

 

It is not a decision. It is an ineluctable fact. It doesn't matter what you stand for.

If refusing to face facts makes you feel morally superior, go for it. It won't be the first time.

 

I don't agree. First of all, reducing cases means being more able to save lives while protecting workers inlcuding medical workers as well as others.

There is no excuse for what Trump has directed meat packers and others to do. Absolutely none.

Second, by delaying cases we can come up with treatments, understand more about the damage done by this disease, and bid time while vaccine testing continues.

Deciding to ignore that and go for stupendous loss of life IS psychopathic.

 

Hmmmm you said

Sooooooo.......”anybody” being your Grandparents? Your parents? Your partner? Aunties? Uncles? cousins?

We just had a 30 year old tested positive post mortem and it has the experts concerned because he lived in a rural community where there has been no identified cases bar one person living approx 200k away. And the timelines do not fit.

Are you prepared for your own death - will been done?

 

And we are seeing that

The early cases in Europe were not ventilated as they should have been so now with a changed strategy more are surviving. The identification of working solutions is improving both survival and outcomes

 

Yes, to all your questions, but especially my own.

Does that make me psychopathic, too?

 

But they will never be reduced to zero. Most everyone is going to get infected. All you can do is slow it down

There has never been a vaccine for a corona virus or even a treatment for a corona virus. How long are you willing to wait for one?

Some UN outfit warns that the global shutdown is going to result in widespread famine and death which could outstrip that of corona virus. How many starving Africans are you willing to tolerate? Does tolerance for wide spread famine make one psychopathic, too?

 

There are a couple dozen in some level of testing right now. There are vaccines that have been tested to work with monkeys. These take time, but saying "never"? Please!

Remdesivir (SP) is showing significant promise. There are dozens more treatements in various stages of testing.

I'm not insensitive to the world problem. But, you aren't pointing to a solution that medical science is even considering evaluating.

Without any study showing anything different, my bet is that fixing our problem is the best direction.

By doing just that, China and SK are in pretty good shape. So, their economies are helping the world.

We didn't. So, ours isn't.

And, we're not going to get better by facilitating massive sickness and death across America.

 

I have never used that word

However I do doubt you are prepared as it is a very common occurrence for people to say, be averse to speed limits until one of their own dies due to speeding

 

No they won’t

But by reducing the disease burden you take strain off the health care system

Now healthcare is expensive and someone has to pay

Who is paying for the mass testing and treating the sick?

 

You're certainly getting close.

You've even suggested that medial science has no place in American policy on pandemic - that it should be purely economic!! And, your apparant disregard for those nearest and dearest is not evidence against that diagnosis.