17-states Suing Obama Over Executive Amnesty

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  1. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    King Obama is about to have his crown taken by the courts, whether it is by the states or the congress. I just hope we can get this done with quickly and get it before the SCOTUS immediately.

     
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    Good luck and God's speed to them. Obama has a bad track record with the Supreme Court.
     
  3. Grizz

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    Aw, shucks, pardner, Texans don't think much of the Constitution at all. Hell, they've been talking about seceding for some time now. I wouldn't pay much attention to that.
     
  4. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    And what about the other 16 states suing Obama?
    There's no doubt Obama cannot use his executive order power to avoid enforcing actual federal law and instead enact
    the Dream Act law, in effect, that congress refused to pass.

    The Supreme Court must not allow the blatantly unconstitutional precedent to stand.
     
  5. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    They won't secede, but King has already issued his royal decree.

     
  6. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is not Georgia one of the States that joined coalition and is suing Obama?

    Oh the irony... Time to find yourself a bluer State to live in, pardner. Georgia surely do not share your views. :roflol:
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, while Washington, DC. Republicans get their ducks in a row, 17 states have formed a coalition ,and FILED LAWSUIT WEDNESDAY (yesterday) against Obama and the Obama Adm. for his immigration over reach:




    States sue Obama administration on immigration



    AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - A coalition of 17 U.S. states sued the Obama administration on Wednesday saying it acted illegally by issuing an executive order to ease the threat of deportation for millions of immigrants who are in the country without the proper documents.

    The case being led by Texas and filed at the Federal Court in the Southern District of Texas said the executive order announced by Obama last month violated constitutional limits on presidential powers. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Republican and the Texas governor-elect, said the lawsuit is not asking for monetary damages but is seeking to have the order declared illegal.

    The White House has said the executive order falls within presidential powers, and has argued that the ultimate answer is for Congress to pass meaningful immigration reform.

    President Barack Obama's plan would let up to 4.7 million of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States stay without threat of deportation, including some 4.4 million who are parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

    "The President is abdicating his responsibility to faithfully enforce laws that were duly enacted by Congress and attempting to rewrite immigration laws, which he has no authority to do," Abbott said.

    Many of the states in the coalition are Republican strongholds and include Alabama, Idaho, Mississippi and Utah.

    North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory, a Republican, said his state joined the legal effort because "the president has exceeded the balance of power provisions clearly laid out in the U.S. Constitution




    http://news.yahoo.com/states-sue-ob...gration-texas-attorney-general-202020997.html
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    BAM !!!! Just like DAT !!!


    Americans want the BORDERS SECURED, before ANYTHING ELSE, but the Most Arrogant, Incompetent and Corrupt Administration in History, just DOESN'T CARE WHAT AMERICANS WANT= why they just got PIMP SLAPPED from one end of this nation to the other.

    Obama continues to FAIL TO HEED the wishes of the American People...and will continue to incur massive political damage for the Done-o-crats.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When disputes arise in our country the mechanism we use to resolve them is the judicial system; in this case 17 state feel the law has been broken. The current administration feels that this is not so. Use the accepted system to resolve the issue. Whatever the outcome, if in favor of the 17 states, the let the decision resolve this issue; if on the other hand, the decision is against the 17 states, let them heartily put aside their concerns and move forward. May the best man win!
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The states are moving to protect the rights of their citizens, as they are sworn to do. The Obama Adm. is also, but, apparently, doesn't see a problem with IGNORING THEM.
     
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    They are free to sue.

    The president will argue the executive is not "abdicating his responsibility to faithfully enforce laws that were duly enacted by Congress " but rather prioritizing enforcement as there is just no way possible to deal with all 11 million undocumented workers with the resources at hand. It is just commonsense to direct resources where they can be most effective. The issue is mired in politics. Perhaps a court ruling will return some sanity to the discussion. But I doubt it.

    As this type of enforcement prioritizing occurs every day for every law, the administration is more likely to win the suit than lose it.

    The commonsense solution would be to pass law. But the fringe right won't allow that to happen - so states will spend money to satiate the far right's appetite to fight Obama. Yawn.

    max
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The states are acting in the interest of their citizens.

    I like how the overwhelming majority of Americans who want the border secured FIRST, are now "the fringe right".

    More reasons as to why you and yours just got thrown out on your asses.
     
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    I hope you realize

    all 11,000,000 illegal immigrants are entitled to a hearing before being deported
    At a cost of billions of dollars

    All Congress has to do is pass legislation to deal with the problem
     
  13. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Is this the same current administration that was caught on video a couple dozen times saying "I am not an emperor, I am the President of the United States. I do not have the authority to unilaterally change current immigration laws by executive order". Is that the good faith argument you really wish to pursue?
     
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    They don't have to just remove lots of benefits using Federal Laws and enforce the laws on the books. Here is a big one since using a false identity document is illegal at the state level and Federal level if a Federal ID (social security card and number) and is a felony just toss the perps in prison and break up families when you can. Then as felons once about to leave you can process them out and deport them under priority already set by the President. If not use state law that is usually four crimes falsifying a birth certificate, ssn and the photo id and maybe green card bump the misdemeanors up to an added felony and toss them in state prison then move for deportation as I noted.

    As for other things they could do there is a requirement the children get an equal education and ER access can't do much there but you could require a photo ID issued by the state ,photo ID or drivers license, to access any program where government money is used and they must be verified if not legal see above - arrest them and deport.

    But I'm not an ogre I have a simple new law you want to stay include the normal ways and add this you can just buy citizenship for say $500,000 per person in a family coming in at the same time here illegally or not. Anyone with $2 million for a family for four likely worth bringing in and add the cost of a background check by the NSA to that per person. If Mr. Illegal can pay $500k in cash and pass a background check he pays for that's fair.
     
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    Let the law win you mean..... Nice Freudian slip ;)
     
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    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    Prioritizing arrests are one thing.... proactively issuing green cards and work permits (at great cost) and facilitating law breaking is another.
    Take it to court. You lose. It's that simple.
     
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    The executive action can be overturned in court OR by Congressional action. Of course, we know the GOP controlled Congress isn't likely to act on this. They have more important things to do like increasing the deficit by $400+ billion and trying to shut the government down.
     
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    They didnt raise it by 400 billion and they could shut down the government if they wanted there is no try.

    Nice deflections though. So easy to debunk so back to the topic eh?
     
  19. PatriotNews

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    Funny that he tries to justify an unconstitutional action by the president because some advocate succession which has already been settled as unconstitutional via a civil war.

    Interesting point about Georgia. The lawsuit includes: Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
     
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    At which point will the Left let Obama take a fall if ever, I wonder?
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still trying to ignore the fact that they are pushing a bill that will increase the deficit by over $400 billion?
     
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    Still deflecting?
     
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    I do not understand why Arizona was not part of this group. They have a significant illegal population and the cost and security risk of implementing Obamnesty will be devastating
     
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    I don't believe you have a full understanding of what's going on here and why it most certainly is legal. I'm also sure that no matter what facts, legal or otherwise, that are provided to you, it will likely fall on deaf ears. But, hey - my optimism knows no bounds that one day you may actually READ something that will EDUCATE you, so here it is. Enjoy.

    P.S. - it will also explain why that idiotic, expensive lawsuit ain't goin' nowhere.
     
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    Yeah, I read that before weeks ago.
    I can summarize what's wrong with it very easily for you, if you'd like.

    Yes, Obama has a certain amount of latitude in enforcing federal immigration law.
    No, that doesn't mean he can just stop enforcing the law for millions and it certainly doesn't give him the right to give certain affirmative rights (like issuing work permits and green cards, etc. to millions of people here in violation of federal immigration law)
    completely nullifying legally enacted federal law.

    I hope that clears things up for you. You seem very confused.
     

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