18-year-old boy died after doctors tried to create a vagina from part of his colon

How about you start a new thread about that and you can leave the link here.

 

nope, the attacks on the left are in this thread, I will respond to them here

"So typical of Leftie Progies. Sweep it under the rug, "No big deal", "Nothing worth looking at here, move along"'

this is what I was replying too - and asking why the right wants to sweep those other elective surgeries issues under the rug.... what makes this one different, it's rarer, and fewer people effected

 

So what? Colon resectioning, for whatever reason, is still a pretty extreme category of surgery. If done wrong, you could end up pooping into a bag for the rest of your life.
No sane rationale person would undergo that surgery unless they absolutely needed to.

 

No doubt it was set up and planned before he turned 18.

Just because someone officially becomes an adult doesn't mean they have fully matured and developed life experience and wisdom. Young adults often don't tend to be the most wise and can still be prone to foolish youthful decisions.

Think about undergoing a gender change operation before that individual has ever even experienced being in a serious romantic relationship.
I wouldn't be surprised if that boy had never had sex with another person, and didn't have any real friends.

 

people get their stomach surgically altered to lose weight, people will do many things that have risks

 

And that is controversial, and some might argue it is extreme and unnecessary, but it's still not anywhere as extreme as what happened here.

You're trying to compare this to other things that are far less obviously extreme.

 

they are all elective surgery, surgery I would not risk doing, the point is, some will take the risks

 

The fact that there might be some people willing to take the risks does not mean it should be condoned by the rest of society.

I really suspect most of these individuals do not really know or realize the full extent of what they're getting into, or they don't want to think about it, they're too fixated on their dream of turning into another gender.

 

Yes, it's really extreme.
I can't understand how a man, who would like to be a woman, can get closer to this by replicating a vagina?
He must be mentally disturbed. He needs psychotherapy, not surgery.

 

Unfortunately, very oftentimes these days the psychotherapy that is offered to these patients just pushes them closer to wanting to get a sex change or viewing that as a good idea.
In many cases the therapist was the one who suggested the possibility of a sex change to the child in the first place.

The progressive school of thought has pretty much almost entirely taken over the field of psychology.

This study shows that Democrats outnumber Republicans in the field of social sciences (which includes psychology) by 11.5 to 1.
Voter registration data show Democrats outnumber Republicans among social scientists, 11.5 to 1 (insidehighered.com)

 

no one said it had to be, I would not recommend it to anyone.... that said, it should be their choice

like I said earlier, I think the dream of being more the opposite gender is just a dream at this point for most, they have to realize it's more for appearance and comes with risks - some are ok with that

 

Saying it should be their choice is different from supporting it or condoning it, which seems to be what is happening, and also there is the issue of trying to protect the younger from a choice that could ruin their lives.
Sure, you could argue it should be a choice for a mature adult who is 35-years-old. But what about for a person who is 16 years old, only 18 years old, even only 20 years old? Or the beginnings of gender change treatment in a child who may only be 11 or 12 years old, which is very likely inevitably going to lead to other surgery in their later teen years.
If a child is set up on hormones when they are 12, given breast surgery when they are 16, and then a bottom genital surgery is provided to them for free as soon as they turn 18, in my opinion I would say they have been set up on a course where that surgery is almost an inevitability.

Especially some of these younger boys who seem like they are almost groomed by their mothers to be little girls from the time they were 3 years old.

 

That's terrible.
You think someone's a trustworthy psychiatrist, but he's just out to bring as many patients as possible to his sex changer friend.

 

I would not allow an elective surgery like this for minors unless was a reconstructive surgery as in non-elective, in this case it was an adult, and it was not really a issue with the procedure, but the patient got an infection and died, it happens sadly with many procedures

 

But it happened as soon as he hit adulthood, and very likely the entire process leading up to that was begun while he was still in his younger teen years.

It's not like he lived a few years as an adult before coming to this decision all on his own, as a mature person. The decision was totally made and planned when he was still a younger teen.

He'd probably already been on feminizing hormones years before that, altering his perception of things, and making surgery seem like more an inevitability.

 

society has many reasons, acceptance is one, if a trans woman looks female down there, they will not be harassed in a women's locker room for example

 

so, they waited until they were an adult

 

It has more to do with ideology.

Sometimes the psychiatrist is only there to rubber stamp the decision. The younger person already knows what they want, and the psychiatrist has already decided to grant the request in almost any situation the patient wants one. It's just a matter of signing a piece of paper and sometimes writing out a paper so the patient can get medical approval.

In many cases it's mostly just a charade.

 

But what if he's a man up there? With stubble and chest hair? With a natural muscular upper body that a real woman only achieves with very hard training?

In my opinion, trans people are neither men nor women. Surgery cannot change that. They should come to terms with being a special, unusual kind of person.

 

if he was taking puberty blockers early enough, that won't happen - if he did not, it will be harder to address as an adult

I don't think women need breast implants or babies need circumcisions, but I can't make that choice for everyone - people have to make their own choices

 

African American trans people seem to be more accepting of this kind of view.
It's the whites who are the crazy ones.

thread with more information on the subject: Celebrating Black & Trans Women

 

You know the irony, FreshAir, is that most of the crowd that celebrates these transgender medical procedures are very much against giving people their own choices in many other areas, when it comes to other political issues.

I suspect that the real reason they support this doesn't actually have so much to do with the issue of personal choice. That's kind of just being used as an excuse in the argument to help justify it.

The Left in the U.S. doesn't even believe someone should be able to buy tobacco unless they are 21 years old, just to point out one inconsistency in this argument.

 

as in what would they be against choice in - you mean the choice not to sell cakes to certain customers, or not to give an Uber ride to the blind with guide dogs? that kinda choice? if so, they have a choice, don't take jobs that do things you don't want to do - discrimination against customers is not a choice

and I disagree with that, people should be allowed to smoke and drink at 18, yes some on the left and right want to take away choice, when the right went after flavored ecigs, I was against that too

if you want to go there, I also think adults should be able to order smokes and alcohol from places like Amazon.com

 

Good thing none of that has anything to do with reality.

 

Success would have been a grand failure as well, as ones gender is immutable.