6 Swing States. Trump is Winning 5

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the problem for the GOP is Trump gets out the DEM vote bigly
     
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    Nope. There was no valid election held in Wisconsin in 2020.
     
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    The DEM vote "gets out bigly" nowadays no matter who the GOP candidate is. You know, the whole ballot harvesting thing... the whole election fraud thing...
     
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    And what made you think there will be valid election in Wisconsin in 2024? If I were you, I would stay home on election day and drink Spotted Cow knowing DEMS will win regardless who is voting who.
     
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    So which one is it– Dems “get out bigly” to vote or ballot harvesting?

    If deems get out bigly to vote, you don’t need ballot harvesting.

    But if ballot harvesting is the reason Dems are winning, you don’t need Dems get out to vote.
     
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    Trump lost, get over it...
     
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    Nothing.

    Nah. That's how the cheaters want me to feel (demoralized). I'll still vote anyway. Cheating CAN be overcome with enough turnout. There's A LOT of potential-Trump votes out there if Republicans would simply fight to collect them and collect them as early as possible (early voting).

    Meh. I all but never drink alcoholic beverages anymore anyway.

    Meh.
     
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    It doesn't matter which one (or both). They both result in the same thing (a **** ton of ballots).
     
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    Can't lose an election that was never held. Election fraud is not an election.
     
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    keep spreading the Big Lie
     
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    As long as it makes sense in your head , who am I to judge.
     
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    It’s not being demoralized, it is being smart and accept the fact. As you believe DEMS cheated in 2020 and they will cheat again in 2024. If DEMS cheat, they will win. The game is already fixed. So why vote? I would say if you don’t drink , just go sit by the lake Michigan and watch the sunset.
     
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    Democrats have been outperforming polls, in recent elections, so I wouldn't put much stock in that poll-- especially, with the election still a year away.

    You don't see anything that might change the results? How about a Trump conviction-- particularly after the televised, Georgia trial (assuming that concludes, before the election)?

    Also, starting in the spring, when more of Biden's infrastructure projects get rolling, there should be a lot of people, grateful for the work (not to mention, those benefitting from the results).




    Despite the black eye, that Biden got for his support of Israel, in a few places, I absolutely expect that he will win Michigan. Pennsylvania is also, I think, clearly a state in which Biden should hold the edge. Nevada,* Arizona,* & Georgia will remain close contests. It is very much worth noting, however, that a number of those states have ballot initiatives in the works, relating to abortion rights. If what we have been seeing in the last two elections holds true, once more (as it should), this will drive Democratic turnout, with all Dems on the ballot benefitting. Both *Nevada & Arizona will potentially have on their ballots, amendments to their state constitutions, to protect the right to abortion, to Roe's former standard: until fetal viability/24 weeks. The same thing is occurring in another state that you hadn't listed (which most probably assume is going to be in the Trump camp) which has just had its abortion window closed down from 15 weeks, to just 6: Florida!

    While Pennsylvanian Republicans want to put a measure on the ballot to change their constitution to state that there is no abortion right, for any citizens-- they won't be able to do so, unless one seat shifts from Dem to Republican, in their lower legislative chamber. This article, however, says that a vacancy & special election, is a possibility:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/po...-abortion-access-may-be-on-the-ballot-in-2024


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    Pennsylvania
    Republican lawmakers might push to add a question to the ballot to amend the state constitution to declare that it doesn't grant the right to an abortion, or a right to a taxpayer-funded abortion.

    Both chambers of the legislature approved the question once, and would need to do it again to get it on the ballot.
    <End Snip>

    So I will predict, right now, that Biden defeats Trump in at least 4 of the 6 notable swing states.


    LOL. Yeah, that's a real great campaign pledge-- Trump should include it in every speech!

    FYI-- in the unlikely event that Trump won the election cleanly (without any of his attempted shenanigans of trying to get votes thrown out, or have elections declared invalid, so it would fall to the state's government to choose what to do with their electors), Democrats would not "refuse to transition power... peacefully." Thinking they would, only shows how out of touch you are with the majority of voters (Dems & Independents), by assuming that others would see a loss in the same childish way, and (mis)behave, similarly to modern Republicans. If Trump were to win, Dems would merely keep a close eye on everything he did-- not attempt to overturn the result.
     
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    So your only hope is that abortion saves you? I’ll give you that, that’s about right. That’s your only chance.

    But as for what I quoted, Want to make a bet on that? Because if you think the democrats are going to paint Trump as a insurrectionist, traitor to the country, an authoritarian, a dictator in waiting and a threat to democracy and then WILLFULLY give up power to him, you’re going to be excessively disappointed.
     
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    Well, of course, finding out which of us is right, would be contingent upon the result of a Trump win, which I think is unlikely. Yet, in case that happens, I am most willing to accept a bet, concerning our differing predictions-- name your stakes!
     
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    Michigan certainly is a swing State and in many ways. I mean in my neck of the woods there are some hardcore political conservatives, and in my city there are some way left liberals.
     
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    And that doesn't even include Manchin taking votes away from Biden when he runs third party. I can't wait for the Trump meltdown from the left. Watching them cry pleases me to no end and I can't wait for it to happen again. I don't wish anything bad on Trump but it would be hilarious to see Trump put in jail, win the election, and move the oval office into his jail cell. Life just couldn't get any better than that. Then we can watch the left claiming Trump and the Republicans took democracy away in a fair and democratic election and Trump's DOJ can indict them all for their election lies and abuse's of power.
     
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    But Biden won't be on the ballot. The DNC will never allow it. How does he stack up against Newsom?
     
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    That is true about every place in the country. Both parties are represented everywhere.
     
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    “The projection found Trump leading Biden in the Electoral College, even if Biden is favored to win the popular vote, flipping back states including Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in a head-to-head. In this scenario, Trump would win by a 292-246 margin.

    Newsom, however, is poised to fare even worse than Biden, according to Stack Data Strategy's projection.

    In addition to losing the same swing states as Biden, the projection also showed Newsom losing Maine, Michigan, Nevada and New Hampshire, all states also won by Biden in 2020, against Trump.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...ow-to-gavin-newsom-s-2024-chances/ar-AA1jQDkd
     
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    ... and abortion only "saves them" because Republicans are soooooooo damn stuuuuuuuupid in how they approach that topic. There's a reason why the left keeps advancing their Satanic agenda in a slow but steady fashion meanwhile the right keeps losing ground little by little.
     
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    According to Rich Baris, aka "The People's Pundit", Joe Biden is actually the (D)'s strongest candidate against Trump. Rich says that Newsom isn't performing as well as Biden is performing in the very pivotal Rust Belt and Sun Belt regions of the nation.

    I generally trust Baris's take on this sort of stuff due to his rather solid track record in polling and due to his full understanding of how Republicans are currently "DOA" without Trump heading the ballot.
     
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    God forbid.
     

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