7 Candidates on the right eligible for debate, who do you like?

Really, has the 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act during his administration produce a GDP great than 3% on a per anum basis? no. Has any of his policies on Covid, Russia, China, or other foreign policies kept them from doing the things they were doing prior? Trump says a lot of things, brags, or boasts about a lot of things, but none of his policies did very well, not even the bills he signed into law. He did make plenty of Executive Orders and was criticized for that. Instead of taking responsibility, he always says it is never his fault, just someone else. And that is not explaining at all, just telling people what they want to hear to fit their political agenda.

 

And yet, he is at 3% of the current GOP polling data with most saying he is too young. He focuses on anti-woke policies and has not really given any details on any of the current, complex issues facing this nation. Even with his tech savvy mind, he has not made that into a policy or a platform. He uses it to get people's attention, but not much else.

 

Which was not written by Trump doesn't mean what you think it does and was never put into action.

 

I don't think Trump can win no matter who his running mate is. If I were any of those other candidates, I wouldn't run with him.

However, I think Biden is disliked and mistrusted enough that most any other combination of the Republican candidates, excluding Trump, would have a chance.

I think Tim Scott should be in the mix.

I think Pence/Scott could win. DeSantis/Scott would have a chance. Haley/Scott could also be a winner.

 

I really enjoyed his "remain in Mexico policy" that Biden ended.

 

But did they really work. Trump had a mediocre economy even before Covid (he never made it above 2.9% GDP growth - which was Obama's
high number). Trump didn't come up with any Health Care alternative to Obamacare. His wall failed, and his promise to get money from Mexico never
materialized. Trump's policies cost the Republicans control of Congress. Trump's rollback of banking regulations has opened the door
for Bank Management to over-extend and once again the taxpayer is paying off those debts. Trump's erratic handling of any type
of cohesive Covid response was far worse than many other 2nd world countries.

So when you claim "his policies worked", I just don't see that history will agree with you.

 

I'll just give you one...."remain in Mexico". It worked great. Check the Fentanyl numbers, entry by terrorists, child trafficking numbers, and illegal entry and see how they all exploded when Biden did away with the policy.

 

1. Donald Trump
2. Vivek Ramaswamy
3. Tim Scott

 

I am constantly hearing Democrats say how bad Trump is. But I almost never hear them say WHY. From my perspective he brought us cheaper gas, more secure borders, safer streets, kept us out of new wars, didn't arm the Taliban like Biden did, and other good stuff. OK, he's got a big mouth. So what? And its none of my business who he sleeps with. He was my President, not my preacher. He kept my family safe and prosperous. Now my family struggles with Biden's inflation, nuclear war threats, looming war with China, unsafe streets and more.
Why do you bad mouth Trump so? This is a serious question.

 

OK, what's the deal, here? You list this guy Vivek, as your number one choice, and I bet you can't even run down his policy positions, without first running to his website. Steve N lists Vivek, as well, at least in his top 3 (with Trump & DeSantis). To me, it feels like a PR thing, the same way as many Republicans said nice things about Tim Scott (the black Republican candidate). I mean, what's it gonna hurt? You know he's not going to win. I think Vivek is the new version of that. The Indian Tim Scott. Or is his heritage from some other country, in that part of Central Asia? Do you even know?

Because of the added benefit, with Vivek, that he seems a friend of his old boss, Donald Trump, I am wondering if the only reason he is running, is to help spread out the Republican opposition vote, to Trump. Pitch me on this lawyer's qualifications to be the leader of our country, and its military Commander In Chief.

Besides Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Joe Manchin, and former Democrat Kyrsten Sinema, name 10 Democrats, who you do not consider "liberal."

 

While there were some very good metrics under the Trump presidency (stock market, gas price, unemployment for example). To attribute all f that to Trump would be folly, or put another way, by that logic, Clinton would have to be acknowledged as the greatest president of all time. After all, during his presidency, pretty much all that was bad went down, and all that was good went up in a way that isn't even comparable. trump took credit for example for black unemployment which kept on the exactly same decline as under Obama (if you look at the curve it is unchanged after the succession of power). Crime exploded under Trump Iin 2020 and continued going up in 2021, under Biden in 2023 it is going down significantly. Despite the MAGAs out there, NY is a very very safe big city.
One thing that is sure is that Trump has sown discord, and I can promise you that in 2024 there will be major issues at the polls and violence and sloppy "revenge fraud" .
I hate the opposition winning. But I can accept it. What the stats are, favourable or unfavourable obviously matter (but if that were the case you would always vote democratic) but at the end of the day, Trump has destroyed the US fabric. And that is why he is unacceptable to me.
BTW if you are voting on good metrics, you probably should have voted for Hillary

 

I don't need to go to his website to know his policy positions since he's one of the most vocal candidates. He frequents many outlets including ones geared to the left as well as ones geared to the right. I especially liked his interview with Chuck Todd. You almost seem agitated that some of us don't have Trump as our #1, also, you might be putting a little too much stock in early poll numbers. That didn't go so well for Hillary.

 

Hillary was a good President? WHO KNEW?
Spin all you want... but gas was cheaper under Trump, we weren't in a European war under Trump, we didn't arm the Taliban under Trump, our airspace wasn't violated with impunity under Trump, no one shot down a multimillion dollar drone with impunity under Trump, our border wasn't wide open under Trump, 100,000 Americans didn't die from fentanyl under Trump, we weren't spending endless billions securing Ukraine's borders while leaving our own wide open under Trump, we didn't run like a cowardly dog from Afghan under Trump, we didn't have crippling recruiting shortfalls in the military under Trump, etc.

 

I'm not "agitated;" hopefully you are better, in person, at judging people's dispositions and emotional states. I am just very dubious of so much support on this forum, for people who are in the single digits, among Republicans, in national polling. Does that not seem a bit questionable, of a likelihood, to you?

 

I'm not sure what to say. Trump's poll numbers are super high compared to everyone else so I guess its easy to make those assumptions. Again, not sure what to say. I'm not interested in investing much in someone that cannot do more than 4 years anyway. With all of the indictments its TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP all the time! maybe that's the left's strategy. I know they are smart. Who knows?

 

They’re all better than Kamala

 

All right, I'll accept that you really are excited about Vivek. Can you hit the bullet points, in a paragraph (or more, if you like) that differentiates him, from everyone else -- you know, your reasons for seeing him as a cut above the others?

 

What anyone should know, is that your suggesting that "the Left" is always talking about Trump, as a way to help make him the Republican nominee, is completely inconsistent with those on the Right (and I would not be surprised if you are among them) who charge that all the prosecutions against Donald Trump, are motivated by a desire to stop Trump, from being the nominee. You can't have it both ways-- at least not with any credibility, whatsoever. Instead, your speculation about the Left's focus on Trump, blatantly ignores the fact that Trump is wildly popular, among the Republican base. It is not the talk of the Left, which has made this so. On the contrary, if Trump was at 5%, in Republican polls, the Left's talking about him would be reduced instantly, by at least half, probably by more like two-thirds.

 

can't have it both ways " go ahead, vote for the inmate, see how that works out for you"
yes its very possible
Funny you can't see the obvious
lucky for me I can see past that

 

Could you rewrite that, in standard English? And including all the information necessary, to know what you are talking about, without needing to guess?

 

Fake News

AIRBRUSH ALERT: Delicious: Rolling Stone had to issue a correction for reporting neo-Nazis are DeSantis supporters.

It's had to believe anyone falls for this obvious crap.

'UPDATE 9/4/23 11:52pm: The original version of this article quoted a marcher as saying, “We’re all DeSantis supporters!” without including his second remark, “**** Ron DeSantis! Ron DeSantis is a joke. Ron DeSantis is a joke.” The story has been updated.'

'Oh. Yeah, that last part of the quote shines a whole different light on the protesters’ motivation.'