78 Questions for Christians

No offense of the religion. Just offense of those who have the 'religion' wanting others to conform to what they believe everyone should live by. Not focusing on what the bible says, but what the church says.

Just as equally odd is those who have faith, but have very little clue about the faith they believe.

 

knowing all the answers isn't a condition of Christianity..... and forbidding someone from Christianity because they don't know Jebazekiadiah begat Hozeiakumabraham (or whatever other subjective knowledge test an opponent thinks up) is unimportant.


However, upon becoming Christian.... I would think the desire to learn as much as possible would be natural.... but my desire to read history is not normal anyways... so my opinion may be biased on that.

 

I know what the Bible says, but do you know what it teaches? No, nevermind, because you have already shown that in the negative. I would think someone so Lutherany such as yourself would realize that the earth was created BEFORE the first day of the Biblical account and that the Bible does not say how long before, so I guess that throws a wrench in your "Oh it is only 6,000 years old according to the Bible so the Bible cannot be the literal account of history and therefore cannot be taken literally at all...yada yada yada.

 

Again, how TRUE is that "love", Javis....when you would be having the time of your life (your after-life) KNOWING that they were enduring ETERNAL TORTURE....and NOT ONCE...would it bother you?


Yes..."not once"....remember, if you felt even the SLIGHTEST bit of sadness....it would negate the definition of Heaven with is "eternal joy"....you can't have "eternal joy" if "every now and then"...you got depressed over your child being tortured.

So your "love" of your children is merely "earthly"...which means it's temporary, ephemeral.....EASILY DISPOSED OF once you die and go to Heaven. The paternal version of a "weekend fling"....once over...forgotten and never considered again.

Or mere words...."Oh, I 'love' them....but you know I really don't get upset about them being tortured for all eternity. It's not like it's going to make me unhappy or anything.".....like a guy who claims he "loves" a sports team but moves on to other things when they lose the play-offs.....or "loves" a Chuck Norris movie rerun on TV....until it goes off and he's watching "Wheel of Fortune" instead.

You tell ME your definition of "love" as it applies to your children.....and how it would still exist if they were being tormented for all eternity in Hell....while you were enjoying EVERY SECOND in Heaven and not giving them a second thought?

 

The date of 6000 years is by looking at the ages of the men of the Old Testament, back to Adam and calculating to the approximate dates fixed by history of the rules of Israelite Kings or even Jesus's birth. It was accomplished by Bishop Usshur USING THE BIBLE and what it says as his guide.

He put the first Day of Creation at October 23rd of 4004 BC.

Now, skip the Earth....and ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, God created the STARS on the 4th Day of Creation.....call it Oct. 26th, 4004 BC.

Given that...and the speed of light...we should be able to see NO stars that are farther away than 6018 lightyears.....the light from other stars wouldn't have time enough to reach us.

Do you deny the visible evidence of stars MORE than 6018 lightyears away????

 

The "questions" are actually attempts to make the Bible appear as if it doesn't make sense,... but the audience asking the questions does not want any answers, either.

The challenge of the Bible is to find out how it makes scientific and rational sense, since it came from God.
But telling the atheist that the Big Bang certified Gen 1:1 doesn't impress them.

One can go to Gen 1:3-5 and inform readers that after the Big Bang, a Cosmic Dark Age lasted for 400 million years, and then there was visible light for the first time, as stars appeared.
But they won't care.

If one reads Gen 1:9, and recognizes that Pangea was surrounded by "all the waters of the earth being gathered together into one place," it won't matter.

 

LOL

But he KNEW that Earth time depended upon the Solar Clock which did not appear until "day" number four.

Clearly the first six "days" were NOT 24 hour durations, as the Hebrew word uses explains to us in the dictionary.


BUT I have told you this before, yet you work hard on supporting people who MUST be wrong about what the Bible actually must mean.

1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

 

The Bible might encourage people to support sexual prudence.
But Facts, today, oppose the current sexual promiscuity that hurts Kids.

So even without Religion, you ought see the wisdom of avoiding sexual promiscuity and the ever growing increase in open sexual expression.

 

cupid dave....Bishop Usshur's chronology was what HE believed. Not what you believed.

One isn't any more credible than the other. His silliness at putting it at 4004 BC, in contradiction to history, geology, even ASTRONOMY.....is no worse than you claiming "The Bible says quite clearly that 1 hour equals 375 million years!!!"

In fact, Usshur based his chronology on WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAID....you base yours on what you "believe" it says.

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If I base my life on King Solomon in the Bible....I can have 700 wives and 300 girlfriends.

 

I wasn't referring to all the begats etc. But the basics of how the bible came into being. What are stories and what is not. How does the bible really relate to the world. How much of what we are taught is pure BS, and it seems there is some of it.

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But you would be wrong. It does say. And literally, 6/24 hour days. Unless of course you want to make up whatever morning and evening is.

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You stuff doesn't make sense either. If the solar clock was in place on day 4, then the 24 hr period begins on day 4. Not after day 6 as you are trying to imply.

 

this stuff does my head in. if I lived ten lifetimes I don't think I could ever really understand how good people can accept this despicable nonsense. not really truly understand, because the minute you stop and think about the ethics of this position, even the worst person in the world would concede it ain't good. the only possible explanation for people thinking it's perfectly ok to live in blissful joy while your child is tortured for eternity (for parting their hair on the wrong side), is that you've never stopped to think about what that really means. not ever, not even for a split second. and the only explanation for THAT, is total and utter brainwashing. 'god is good' 'god is good' 'god is good'. say it enough times and the door is held open for evil to come in and make itself right at home.

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nice one

of course Dave will come back with a justification which will make as much sense as Seth Rogan in a dress.

 

here's the problem - you start with being told, repeatedly, that it all came from god, and god is perfect. forcing you into the above position, for the rest of your life ... unless you grow out of it.

you were given a square peg, but the world is made of round holes.

 

I will never understand why some "christians" insist that the bible is fact and infallible word of God, when it clearly isn't. There are 30+ different modern versions. Upon every revision of the bible it's words are changed by man. If God wrote a book why would it need versions? Why would it have not been understood in it's original language by everybody? He is God, he made billions of stars, he couldn't be bothered to write the book himself in a language all man could understand? Why would we, mere mortal men be able to prove the bible wrong?

It's abundantly clear that God didn't write it. I am no atheist. But I don't worship text. Many people wish to believe that the bible is absolute because they are weak. I don't really need it.

 

Languages change over time. A word used a century or two ago could have a completely different meaning nowadays. It really doesn't matter if the words change, so long as the meaning of what's being said doesn't change.

It's also abundantly clear to Christians that God didn't write the Bible. It's the Christian belief that men wrote the Bible under the inspiration of God.

 

I hear Christians say that the bible is the word of God constantly.

 

Exactly. The previous poster is a great example of the prophecy fulfilled concept. First you have unsubstantiated claims which become the basis for a belief system or religion. Then you have current events which are then crammed into the ancient claims to prove they are true. This is a very common theme in religion. The Bible has two genesis stories if I recall. Not much different than other superstitions by ignorant people back in the day. Science reveals them all to be wrong but people will cling to those stories regardless.

 

Go back and read Javis' original posts when I asked him the question. He compared his life in Heaven to "an Hawaiian vacation"....and tried to claim Hell was "going to prison"...

but in prison, people aren't TORTURED every hour of every day. And eventually, even a guy serving a life-term....dies and gets let out of prison.

So imagine Hell.....eternal, never-ending, for ever and ever and ever, trillions and trillions and trillions of YEARS and trillions more to go....and being endlessly tortured every minute....

and then your CHILD is there.

And how much you'd "not give them a second thought and enjoy your time at Maui"?

But you nailed it....Javis likely has never ACTUALLY considered his eschatological beliefs or their impact. The true evil....not of the people in Hell...but of a God who created it and allows it to function as described. And the co-dependent evil of people who not only support the idea of Hell....but love and praise that God as well....to the point where if their own CHILD was condemned to it.....they'd say "Oh, well. Too bad. How about another game of volleyball?"

Because as I noted above....for Heaven to be truly "ETERNAL joy"....you couldn't give one second of worry or anguish to what your child would be suffering. By its very defintion (also not truly considered by some), "worry" or "anguish" would be IMPOSSIBLE in Heaven, which is "perfect joy and peace". One second of sadness or regret....could not be allowed.

The problem in itself is a belief in absolutes. "An absolute good God"...and "absolute Heaven"...and "absolute Hell"...."absolute justification for Hell".

 

The theory is the writers of the Bible were "inspired by God"...and thus what they wrote was "perfect and inerrant".

The problem is the idea that Men, fallible, human Men can produce something "infallible".....is refuted by...the Bible.

And if you go to "God FORCED them to write it down infallibly and perfect"....then you deny Free Will.....which again is....refuted by the Bible.

Quite clearly, the BIBLE ITSELF actually refutes the idea that it, a product of Man, is "perfect and infallible"

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According to the Bible....can a human being create something "perfect and inerrant"?

 

As the empires withered away, mankind needed a unifying force that could last beyond empire. Christianity and Islam filled the voids. The truthiness was immaterial to the goal. Make it up to create a unifying force and the people will respond in kind. I think it was a reaction to events that seemed out of control to the people of the time. They did what was necessary to survive. The first 5-7 centuries AD were a mess. Religion gave the people something to believe in while the old traditions and empires collapsed.

 

In other words there is no way for you to know God? So why believe in something so sophomoric?

 

Well, religions existed before Christianity and Islam and did their bit to prop up the Persians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, etc.

 

Atheists champion intellectual honesty and reject the notion that credulity has value. We could all point out the terrible things religion has done throughout history but theists tend to ignore all the other negatives of religion, like the fact that it makes claims about the world we live in which affects the way people perceive and make decisions. How many intellectual roadblocks do we have to run into before theists see the problem with the perception religion gives?

Theist tend to say things like what does it matter what one person believes but that one person is a part of a whole, part of society, part of humanity and our only tool to change this world for better or worse is our ideas. What those ideas say and where they come from is of the utmost importance. It's not that we are offended so much as we are aware of the fact that there is no bigger obstacle to intellectual honesty than religion.

 

I tend to agree.

 

Genesis 1 appears out of order when comapred to reality.
Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1, and still does not accurately represent the order of which events occurred.

Please stop lieing, no need to pretend that the Bible actually represents anything accurately.