80% of Republicans Agree With Bernie

It's time to get the money out of politics.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders is often characterized by the media as an out of the mainstream presidential candidate, but a new CBS/New York Times poll revealed that 80% of Republicans agree with Sanders on the issue of getting money out of politics.
The CBS/NYT poll found that:

– 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

– 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

– 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

– 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

– 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

– 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

– 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/03/1390254/-POLL-finds-80-of-Republicans-AGREE-with-BERNIE-SANDERS

 

That's not going to go over very well here. lol

 

I haven't been posting regularly on this board very long, but I still can't help wondering what would happen to Bernie's chances next Spring if the economy crashes the way it did in 2008. I don't think Democrats will dump Hillary twice, but that doesn't mean Bernie couldn't dump the Democrats and run on a third party ticket. The Electoral College virtually guarantees he won't wake up in the White House, but he could pull a Perot and open millions of US eyes to futility of "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth.

btw, in 1920 Eugene V Debs, a socialist candidate, won over 3% of popular vote for president (about a million votes) while campaigning from an Atlanta prison cell.

 

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/6-awesome-things-about-bernie-sanders-you-might-not-know

 

so could trump go independent, since a lot of republican lobbyist don't like him

 

To be fair 90+% of americans beleive in campaign finance reform, but the politicians that beleive that, like bernie sanders dont get elected too often. Can anybody tell me why?

 

The problem with campaign finance reform is that it is implemented by politicians and they are always going to leave loopholes for themselves to exploit. The McCain/Feingold bill was a perfect example of something that made for good soundbites but was in the end almost meaningless.

The only way you will get serious campaign finance reform to do an end run around the Senate and House and use the states to ratify an amendment. This is a very difficult and time consuming process though so is unlikely.

 

Media propaganda, that's why. It works OH so well.(Look at the Tea Party brand.). If there had been some real, actual coverage of the Tea Party very few people would actually think they're "racist". But who was covering them? We now know CNN has left the "independent" stream and went full diehard liberal, MSNBC lied to you about the ethnicity of a gun-carrying member of the TP, just to drive the point home, etc.

The Left is so firmly entrenched to the Left that Fox is "biased", Breitbart lacks "credibility". And the only ones who believe them are people staunchly on the "right". Hence, the lack of education on both sides. But even better for big government still: Easier to propagate.

So when you ask a Republican who isn't watching his dose of propaganda what he thinks, chances are of a completely different answer. The Left however, has such a stasi-media control that all we're missing is a Minister of Propaganda. Someone on the Left will never think out of step with the party. If by luck you can view an alternative, it's because the Left abandons you(like it did me, when it called me a racist for opposing the ACA).

Thank you Chris Matthews, unwittingly your stupidity and pot stiring allowed me to open my eyes to political philosophy and be who I am, and not what I'd be disgusted to be: A nation-hating leftist.

 

Bernie's actions may force Hillary to take a stand on some controversial issues much sooner that she would prefer. For example, he's calling for a complete rejection of the TPP, and so far, Hillary hasn't been willing to take a stand.

"The TPP would rob Congress, the states and every American of the right to enact laws protecting our health, safety and welfare. It does it by granting international tribunals closed to both states and private citizens the power to override any law they deem a barrier to trade. The Constitution vests authority to approve the pact in Congress but at the behest of multinational corporations Congress may soon relinquish its right to amend it without ever having read or disclosed its contents."

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/bernie_sanders_must_bring_it_between_gop_obfuscation_and_hillarys_evasions_someone_needs_to_be_serious/

 

A debate between Bernie and Donald would reveal many expected disagreements, and a few surprising overlaps in how they view the US political economy.
http://economyincrisis.org/content/gop-members-and-donald-trump-dont-support-the-tpp

 

the republican lobbyist hate trump they 57% say they will NEVER vote for trump? makes you wonder there really want this TPP at all cost even the election results 0f 2016??

 

Hmmm. I would never claim that all tea party people are racist. That's ridiculous. That said, I went to a tea party rally once and there was plenty of racist signs and talk going on. That was in WV though. I would imagine the racist elements would be more prominent here than many places.

 

The best government money can buy, Maybe?
Bernie has a litmus test for politicians and campaign finance reform:

"In 2012, Sen. Sanders laid out why Citizens United is the threat to our representative democracy:

"'This is unprecedented and it is the most savage attack against American democracy, and the concept of one person, one vote that we have seen in our lifetime, and what it is is saying if you are a billionaire, you can buy elections. You can by politicians, and by the way, on the floor of the Senate, on the floor of the House, you can intimidate members, because you will be saying to them if you are going to vote against Wall Street, or the insurance companies, or the military industrial complex, you just do that, and we’re going to have millions of dollars in thirty-second ads in your state this weekend.”
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/02/poll-finds-80-republicans-agree-bernie-sanders-citizens-united.html

 

The first and most famous central banker of all time stated he didn't care who wrote a country's laws as long as he controlled the country's money supply; that boast was made several centuries before the rise of international corporations. Today some of those private corporations earn annual revenues that exceed the GDP of small states. If the critics of the TPP are correct, international corporations and central bankers will substitute private trade tribunals in place of public courtrooms to decide the legality (constitutionality?) of all matters related to "trade." If NAFTA was a bad idea, the TPP has the potential to be much worse, AND it isn't getting the attention it warrants from our elected "leaders," imho.

 

80% of Rebublicans agree with Bernie Sanders on one issue...campaign finance reform.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
The guy is a complete moonbat. There is not a conservative alive who would elect him into any sort of governmental office aside perhaps from dog catcher. He'd probably find a way to mess that up too.

 

I wonder if these conservatives who agree with Bernie on this have ever thought about how taking money out of politics would affect GOP candidates vs other candidates?

 

Trump will never ever EVER run for president. Ever. The reason is that he knows he would never win. Ever. And Donals wont do ANYTHING he knows he cant win at.


But he WILL talk about it every election year just to get his name in the papers and a few soundbytes. Nothing more. The Donald is a complete and total sham of a politician, and a pretty horrible person to boot.

 

will see come the 16th.. 10 more days from now..it will be held at the international hall there

 

Trump is an idiot birther, a publicity seeker and not a serious candidate. A waste of time for a true statesman such as Sanders to debate this jerk. Although, whichever platform allows Sanders to get his message out is a good one.

 

but they agree on tpp, Sanders would make a good vic president under trump

 

Why would politicians (outside of the occasional odd duck like Bernia) want campaign finance reform? Most got elected without campaign finance reform and they are totally satisfied with being elected.

 

on a single issue. Whoopie

 

You mean that of Communism.

 

Sorry, I do not see Trump as anything but a publicity whore and he is out of Sander's league. Why in the world would you pair those two and why would you see Trump in a higher position than Sanders???????????????????? The very thought is absurd.

 

Getting money out of politics would have enormous implications for the middle class. Three decades of Reaganism could be erased overnight.