A ‘Corrupt’ Response and ‘Cover-Up’: Trump Admin Appears to Have Sparked Coronavirus Outbreak in U.S

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  1. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't get too excited yet. What's her age and what was her health like before she caught the "coronia virus"?
     
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    I thought Trump wasn’t responsible for the economy?
     
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  3. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would be a good time to start getting a little worried. But 25,000,000 people is a very far cry from 15 people.
     
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    I wonder why you put alot of emphasis on the AP factcheck (****, you've mentioned it like 10 times in the last two days) about one very specific criticism lodged against Trump's response without addressing any of the other misstatements and lies made by Trump about the virus. I can't comprehend why that would be the case?

    Just kidding.

    "Anyone" who is already pre-disposed to praise and worship Trump for all good things and to blame everyone not named Trump for all bad things.

    He objectively failed to calm everyone's fears. There's a reason why the DOW futures turned from positive to negative while he was speaking.

    But hey, Trump told everyone the next day that his press conference was very calming. Granted, that's a bit like having to explain that you just told a joke. If you did a good job, you wouldn't have to explain that it was calming.

    That is a weak ass strawman of our argument. But it's good to see you guys downplaying the impact that a President can have on the market now!
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All of it is false, there is zero consensus or even large support that liberals want the nation to mimic China.

    Your last sentence is unintelligible.
     
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    Trump wanted to be praised for the stock market hitting all time highs.

    Trump deserves to be criticized when the stock market craters.

    You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
     
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  7. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What?
     
  8. MrTLegal

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    When the shoe fits.
     
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    It's a reddit thing.

    You can tell the bots there to send you a notification to remind you to check on a specific post after an allotted time.

    Basically just saying that I'd like to revisit your prediction in a couple of months.
     
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    Very nice to have hit the heart of the issue of the supply chain being shut down in China! EXACTLY!

    Sadly, the Trumpies and Trump are trying to ignore the REASON the Chinese supply system is breaking down.

    Is it the Commies in China want to ruin Trump and America? Nope.

    Is it because Bernie and all the Socialist Democrats want to ruin Trump and America? Nope.

    The REASON the Chinese supply train is breaking because they have a sudden, unexpected and ongoing viral infection that is hurting and killing people in that country and China is working hard to contain the ongoing spread!

    30 or 40% of Chinese and their associated supply chain is down, and the businesses who need part or all of that supply chain can't by or process orders to America so they companies are making money, people are being laid off and even now the companies will shortly show ever increasing bankruptcies (small farmers were already having record bankruptcies).

    So China can't manufacture. But regardless of the state of China, disease spreads and there is no way that this disease will not spread over the USA to some degree, so not only there won't be able to buy essential items for health and survival, people won't be able to buy things anyway because many will be sick as dogs for long periods, certainly enough to overwhelm our already stressed medical infrastructure.

    But what we get from our leader is denial! Happy stories! Even as the experts Trump assembled say that there is going to be NO vaccine this year. Trump says the markets are just having a "correction" and everything is going to be OK.

    It is not Trump's fault there is a new virus, certainly. But it IS Trump's faults that he is lying, hiding problems when people could prepare instead.

    Now Trump is censoring the very experts Trump hired in order to make him look better! People will die because of these lies. Our country is going to be suffer from the lies. Censoring America is wrong. This last act is unforgivable.
     
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    Like I said in response to those threads about Obama supposedly taking credit for the economy when he made that tweet on the 10th year anniversary of the Recovery Act.

    Obama gets credit for setting the economy on a 10 year long period of financial recovery and booming. He does not deserve credit for Trump's worsening trade deficit or the budget deficit growing in a booming economy.
     
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  12. Thirty6BelowZero

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    You're wrong. I can show my displeasure for something Trump did that I think is wrong, and still support him depending on what it is he did. But you do understand, I would assume, that nothing he's been blamed for has been proven. Give me one good reason I should believe something without proof.
     
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    Again you're wrong. Trump's Trade Deal with China was huge in causing the market to grow and hit all time highs. He would have to be responsible for the cornonavirus in order for the fall of the market to be his fault. Can you point me in the direction that shows me how the coronavirus outbreak in China is Trump's fault?
     
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    Gotcha.

    It all depends on whether or not the virus has been contained or not. I'm sure we can both agree that we hope it is contained by then.
     
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    Here @MrTLegal. You don't seem to be grasping this when I explain it, so here it is from someone else. Is it sinking in yet?
     
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    You just repeated what we Trump supporters have been saying since the outbreak, then you said we're ignoring this reason. I just finished telling AJ and TLegal this exact same thing and they don't believe me, but TLegal liked your post.

    Just...........LOL
     
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    The outbreak is not Trump's fault.

    His ongoing failures to start preparing for the outbreak, his transparent lies to try to hide the problems, his failure to assess the problem IS his fault.
     
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    DOW futures turned from positive to negative while Trump was giving his press conference.
     
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    Prove that Trump's phase one deal with China - the one which has yet to take affect in the slightest - had a "huge" impact in causing the market to grow, first.
     
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    Oh I get that there are reasons to divorce any President from the stock market.

    Trump choose to ignore those risks and tie himself to the stock market everytime it hit a new record high.

    He deserves to be criticized now that it is cratering.

    You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Got it @Libby ?
     
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    Just pulled a round number out for effect,eh.
    Between 26,ooo - 69,ooo die from the Flu EACH YEAR.
    But of course you knew that right.
    And it kept you up nights.
    Yeah ... right.
     
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    Only to salve the hurt feelings of the left because Trump is doing everything right.
     
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    If Trump's actions help the market rise, he deserves credit. If China's COVID-19 and supply chain problems cause it to crash, he does not deserve blame.

    Trump is not the President of China. TDS notwithstanding.

    I'm done explaining this to you.

    Right? How tedious....
     
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    It isn't caution over being incorrect, it's concern that a rush to play politics with the issue will override the vital work of actually investigating the complaint and, if it is correct, preventing the same potentially fatal mistakes being made in the future.
     
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