A former Marine is held illegally in a Mexican jail

You really believe this...huh. Well the mexican deal with guns everyday. They exchange them for drugs and money. They use them to strenthen the cartels down there. They make no attempt at the boarder to put a stop to this at all. The only time any action is taken is when they happen to get caught on our side of the boarder. If they gave a * * * * down there they would secure their boarders even more. But they don't. Wake up dude.

 

Well dude...he was in chains. For a period of time too. They said that prison was well out of hand and they did that for his protection.

We hold the mexicans in our jail until we find out the whole story and then they are deported back to their home country.

 

Not as stupid as Mexico not trying to find out the truth. And not working with America on this matter. They don't give a * * * * down there.

 

They should hold you until they could turn you over to the proper authorities and let them handle it. Its called working together.

 

Dude...its the gov't job to do this. Thats what they get paid for. Its for protecting others. You don't like it then move.

 

If the liberal idiots that say the Marine wasnt in chains, they need to check the news, and see that he was. There are pictures of him with a chain on his leg.

Yesterday during the press conf with Obama why didnt reporters ask Obama what the hell is he doing about getting this Marine hero released????

 

No one is saying he didn't do anything wrong. Its just the way they are handling it that is. Hope you never need to go down to Mexico for anything. If you do be careful.

 

When that country is right at our boarder then they need to. We run into this type of situation every day at the boarder...they need to know.

 

Try reading your own posts before submitting. It happens to be the last word in your post.

 

Because just like the Mexicans...Ubamas followers don't give a * * * *.

 

:sigh: try looking into the situation before you run your mouth. Talk about ignorance.

Not quite, he was told by U.S. Border patrol to look into paperwork with the Mexicans. He went to do that and was arrested. If he wanted to sneak into the country with the gun he probably could have. The Mexicans do this simply to extort money, they do it to their own people, why the hell wouldn't they with other people?

Slow paperwork! LOL! Wake up dude!

 

And apparently neither does Obama and the state department b/c neither has said one word about this x-marine, John Hammer, who's been held captive since August..... I guess this guy doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.....

He inherited the rifle from his grandfather and took it w/him for hunting, I guess, but the man followed all the legal steps of entering Mexico w/it - until he got to the border w/the documents needed for himself/rifle.... but of course, the POS at the border didn't care about the legalities, grabbed the rifle, threw him in jail and started black-mailing his parents.... and Obama/state dept hasn't done a dam thing about it ....

I guess Hillary still has an owie and can't do anything? Well, doesn't she have an assistant who'd know what to do to work for his man's release?

My heart goes out to that Marine & his parents, but he should have known better than to take a weapon to a corrupt (*)(*)(*)(*)hole Mexico and known about how corrupt that country is and that the Obama admin doesn't give a rat's ass about people like him...

I hope to God he is released soon......

 

No thats just silly.

At most border crossings into Mexico, signs warn Americans against carrying firearms and ammunition.
The State Department’s Vaagen said Hammar would have needed to get permission from a Mexican consulate within the United States prior to crossing into the nation with a firearm.
“The U.S. Department of State’s Consular Specific Information for Mexico clearly states that no one should take firearms into Mexico without first obtaining a proper permit from the Mexican embassy or one of its consulates,” Vaagen wrote. “There are also clear signs above the roads on the approaches to land border crossings warning travelers to not take firearms or ammunition into Mexico.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-is-how-mexico-confines-us.html#storylink=cpy

U.S. Customs and Border Patrol officers are not experts on Mexican gun laws. Any casual attempt to check and see what was required to take a gun into Mexico would have at a minimum alerted a responsible person that they needed to check with a Consulate before going into Mexico.

If conservatives are about 'personal responsibility' and about "law and order' then they should be thrilled that this 'dangerous criminal' has faced 'justice'.

The State Department is involved- has visited him 4 times, most recently on 12/13, he has a Mexican lawyer and appears to be facing the same legal system that all Mexicans- and Americans in Mexico face.

While this sucks for Mr. Hammar, I somewhat am at a loss at what I should be outraged about. People get arrested for inadvertantly breaking laws all the time.

Hopefully the pressure will help his case move smoothly and well through the justice system.

 

That they are both illegal if not imported into Mexico properly? Oh wait- that would make them the same.

Guns and Cocaine can both be legally imported into Mexico, but both have to be properly imported.

 

yes- i really believe the the State Department warns travels exactly this. Why don't you believe that the State department warns travelers not to take guns to Mexico?:


Mexico
FIREARMS PENALTIES: The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against taking any type of firearm or ammunition into Mexico without prior written authorization from the Mexican authorities. Entering Mexico with a firearm, certain types of knives, or even a single round of ammunition is illegal, even if the weapon or ammunition is taken into Mexico unintentionally. The Mexican government strictly enforces laws restricting the entry of firearms and ammunition along all land borders and at airports and seaports. Violations by U.S. citizens have resulted in arrests, convictions, and long prison sentences.

Vessels entering Mexican waters with firearms or ammunition on board must have a permit previously issued by the Mexican Embassy or a Mexican consulate. Mariners do not avoid prosecution by declaring their weapons at the port of entry. Before traveling, mariners who have obtained a Mexican firearm permit should contact Mexican port officials to receive guidance on the specific procedures used to report and secure weapons and ammunition.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...s/cis_970.html

 

If a Mexican is accused of a crime in the United States- depending on the crime- we prosecute, convict and imprison them- and deport them after their sentence is complete.

 

No it isn't.

Not sure what part of this you don't understand.

The State Department warns everyone not to take guns it Mexico. But if you break a law in a foreign country- you are subject to the justice in that foreign country. The State Department will provide assistance in finding a lawyer and hopefully check to make sure the conditions meet the minimum legal standards- but they don't have an obligation to intervene.

Any person who made even a minimal effort to find out whether it is okay to bring weapons into Mexico could have prevented this from happening.

 

Not exactly correct- the State Department has commented and visited Hammar:

A State Department official told Fox News that U.S. diplomatic officials in Mexico have been providing "consular services" since they were notified on Aug. 16 of his arrest.

"Since the arrest, we have been in frequent contact with Mr. Hammar, as well as with his family in the United States," the official said, adding that consular officials have visited Hammar four times. They also spoke with him by phone as recently as Tuesday.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ex-marine-state-later-confirms/#ixzz2FcJ9Lgbm

What makes you think that he followed all legal steps? It is fairly obvious that he didn't- I mean even aside from the fact that Mexico says he didn't. I posted before the State Departments online advice:


Mexico
FIREARMS PENALTIES: The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against taking any type of firearm or ammunition into Mexico without prior written authorization from the Mexican authorities. Entering Mexico with a firearm, certain types of knives, or even a single round of ammunition is illegal, even if the weapon or ammunition is taken into Mexico unintentionally. The Mexican government strictly enforces laws restricting the entry of firearms and ammunition along all land borders and at airports and seaports. Violations by U.S. citizens have resulted in arrests, convictions, and long prison sentences.

Vessels entering Mexican waters with firearms or ammunition on board must have a permit previously issued by the Mexican Embassy or a Mexican consulate. Mariners do not avoid prosecution by declaring their weapons at the port of entry. Before traveling, mariners who have obtained a Mexican firearm permit should contact Mexican port officials to receive guidance on the specific procedures used to report and secure weapons and ammunition.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...s/cis_970.html

It is pretty clear that Hammar didn't have the necessary permit before he entered Mexico.

Except of course....the State Department is doing what it is supposed to do, the Marine didn't take the minimal precaution of checking in advance about taking a gun into Mexico.

Here is what the State Department says it does to assist American arrested abroad:


Arrests Abroad
When you are in a foreign country, you are subject to its laws, and American officials are limited as to how they can assist you. They cannot, for instance, represent you in legal proceedings or pay your legal fees or other expenses. They can, however, perform a variety of vital services, which include providing a list of attorneys, assisting in contacting your family in the U.S. if you wish it, helping you obtain money from family in the U.S., and monitoring your health and welfare and the conditions under which you are being held.

If you are arrested, immediately ask to speak to a consular officer at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. Under international agreements, the U.S. Government has a right to provide consular assistance to you upon your request. If your request to speak to your consul is turned down, keep asking—politely, but persistently. For information on how consuls assist American arrestees, see http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/emergencies/emergencies_1199.html.

 

Clearly he wasn't trying to sneak the gun into the country. But just as clearly he failed to take any reasonable precautions in going to Mexico with a gun. A quick google search not only brings up warnings from the State Department but also from numerous gun sites.

The Mexicans are enforcing their laws- just like the United States would. Here is what is required to bring a gun into the U.S.

What is required to bring a firearm to the U.S. for hunting purposes?
Effective February 19, 2002, ATF requires nonimmigrant visitors entering the U.S. with firearms or ammunition to obtain a federal permit through ATF in advance of their arrival. U.S. law also forbids certain nonimmigrant visitors, workers and students from buying guns and ammunition in the U.S. Diplomats, foreign law enforcement officials and visiting dignitaries designated by the U.S. Department of State are not exempt from this requirement when bringing a gun for hunting purposes.

You will need to obtain and complete ATF Form 6NIA (5330.3D Application/Permit for Temporary Importation of Firearms and Ammunition by Nonimmigrant Aliens) to apply for the ATF permit. You will also be required to obtain a license from any state in the U.S. where you intend to hunt. Please note that you may fax the ATF Form 6 NIA-5330.3D application to (304) 616-4554 for expedited processing.

 

Yes it is their job. We don't put them there to play poker all day do we.

As long as he had proper papers he is allowed. And if he didn't then they should of turned him around before entering...not lock him up after allowing him to cross. They just don't give a * * * * down there.

 

nothing at all like what we have here in the states, it some seriously odd (*)(*)(*)(*) they do down there.

 

Okay I will try to take this slowly for you.

Customs and Border Patrol(CBP) responsibility is enforcing the laws of the United States- not Mexico.

Primarily they check people coming into the United States- though sometimes they check people leaving the U.S.

We don't have all of the information but I know something about this stuff. When Hammar went to CBP with his gun and filled out 'papers'- these would be papers allowing him to register his gun to take it out of the U.S. and import it back into the U.S. later. They wouldn't be papers allowing him to bring the gun into Mexico.

They did their job.

And they didn't lock him up- Mexican officials locked him up- just as the State Department warns will happen if you don't register your gun in advance with Mexican authorities.

While they may- or may not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) down there- this was easily avoidable. Sounds like Hammar made a mistake- an easily avoidable mistake- but still a mistake. But here in the U.S. you can get arrested for making a mistake on how you carry or transport a gun.

Ignorance of the law is no more of an excuse in Mexico than it is here.

 

Yeah that sounds familiar... like the offshore American gulags.

 

could be worse, we could start beheading people that we capture and say "God is Great" while we do it.

hey we could adopt Mexico's immigration laws and really show you some serious (*)(*)(*)(*).

we have to accept millions of their countries worst and they are gonna act this way against 1 of our people??? how (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dare they.

 

Could be worse... They could saw his head off while saying "God is Great".