Ok there big guy, I didn't claim that I know every tiny little thing, but the studies brought forth to me didn't explain other things behind the scenes that may or may not play a role in what compells someone to go kill another. A gun never commited a crime as far as I know, maybe with your supernatural powers you could enlighten us on how a gun can take control of a humans mind (kinda like the media has OBVIOUSLY taken over yours), maybe tiny space aliens are being secretly put into guns and are using mind control rays to make people murder.
Behavioural changes do lead to increases in crime rates, including homicide. You can't use cliché to deny the evidence!
Making murder 1 a capital crime: keeps me and others from killing lots of folks. (already on the books) Make gun-crimes about 5 times as long in jail versus same crime sans a gun: greatly reduces gun use by gangs and dealers. (already on the books) That's about all I can think of to reduce crime. Now for making nuts on a suicide mission who want to cause as much pain as possible on their way out ... Not sure there's much we can do about that. While rare, they'll keep happening. But making more lethal weapons harder or nearly impossible to get, could at least make them less lethal, which might be a bonus, if perhaps the nut clicks dry when pointing at your kid after taking out six of his/her classmates. Just a thought. And since as you've noted, past failure should not be repeated, in this we are truly brothers in thought. So next time, eliminate the failed components: Grandfather clause that went beyond protecting current owners and kicked the door open for makers and importers to load up warehouses and have many years of saleable goods, even after the "ban." Sunset provision that was stupid on its face. If it's a bad law, Congress can fix or whack it. It's what we pay them to do. Putting arbitrary time limits on our laws seems pointless.
So because I trust scientifically-validated study over your personal opinion makes me a media-controlled robot? Well, I have a lot of company, including everybody in the country whose opinions weren't handed to him by a fundamentalist preacher or Rush Limbaugh. You're just trolling, troll.
You can believe whatever you want, I'm just telling you that scientific research without all the variables being taken into consideration can only be concluded as theory at best. Calling me a troll does not make you right, it just shows your juvenile ability to actually debate a serious issue, which further leads me to believe that trying to do so will prove futile as you are too ignorant to bring anything slightly new or informational to the table.
This is a very ignorant comment. The scientific evidence, by definition, takes into account the variables necessary to isolate the gun effects. Its a shame that the gun lobby has made so many folk so clueless
Validation of the conclusion of these studies is strictly opinion. Your opinion is that they are conclusive while my opinion is that they remain inconclusive. I have not seen any study on either side of this debate that I would call upon in my defense of argument. In my opinion, there are far too many variables to consider. What you are left with is a hypothesis that will never be concluded because society and cultures can evolve so rapidly, especially in the united states.
This is just repetition of the inanity of comment. It is very easy to question the empirical robustness of any individual study. You can't manage that as you're simply ignorant of the evidence. You're simply not prepared to admit that the evidence acknowledges the coercion losses generated by gun preferences. That's terribly common in the anti-evidence approach adopted by the gun lobby. Be honest, you either speak with 'limited knowledge' or you deliberately ignore the evidence
In the United States its a felony charge to be in possession of a handgun stolen or not and i'm not sure about rifles, shotguns or musketry.
It is very typical of anti gun drones to shove there opinions down the throat of a pro gun person, and then berate him when he does not agree. You can say whatever you want, but they are still opinionated outcomes, not solid conclusions.
that failed in Australia. They eventually had gun registration, then a gun ban. And still yet, there are between 550,000 and 6,000,000 firearms still unregistered there. When gun registration was enacted, the firearm wasn't the only thing registered, the owner was registered too. Then the gun seizure started....the ban on firearms. Registration leads to confiscation. Australia's proven it. Also, all bows, bb guns, air guns, professional slingshots.............ton of paper work to own one there. And they are getting ready to crack down on knives, but only mean looking knives, the kind the military uses. Then their government will stop there with seizing any and all weapons. (wink) Registation is not the answer. For me, it is enough as it is, and IMO, that's too much.........tough crap with any one that disagrees.......
Don't even bother with Reiver, he can't even go to the bathroom without empirical evidence highlighting the robustness of the data that his crap will be flushed properly.
The thing that is sad is our murder rate is declining and we are now at a 50 year low, now they want to start putting legal gun owners in a position to have there rights taken away. I could see if we were at an all time high, I would still disagree, but I would at least see where they were coming from....
Good of you to bring up Australia, another country which has shown how gun control has reduced homicide and suicide rates - - - Updated - - - You've got opinion and, because its unsupported by the evidence, you simply ignore that evidence. You desire to coerce a result where people suffer because of your personal demands. I find that abhorrent
.........appropriate " Don't even bother with Reiver, he can't even go to the bathroom without empirical evidence highlighting the robustness of the data that his crap will be flushed properly." it's your time, Riever...................we really don't care what you do with it and your opinion...... Question, who did I violate today? Where's the dead bodies that you accused me of shooting? before you waste anymore of your irrelevent time, I still got 'em (my firearms) and your still quotiing from a document published in 1994 by two Foster freaks/drunks. ya see, I don't need your support for anything and your opinion, facts and figures don't mean (*)(*)(*)(*) to me and probably most of us who have them (guns)already. We only humor you in this debate, we're not going to give them up. Since you are a Man's Man (roflmmfao) come get them yourself...... Wrap another layer around your kids how, (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid is this http://www.politicalforum.com/australia-nz-pacific/288149-fun-police-attacking-kids-now.html This is your version of a "safe" country? wow you guys can't even think for yourselves, anymore...such a lovely way to live. parroting the words of the State.........Sieg Hiel!!!!! So tell me, why do you still have so many guns on the loose over there? I guess not everyone thinks they should be kissing the State's ass, begging for table scraps.........what a waste of real estate.........
what? so tell everyone here............who did I violate yesterday...maybe you can clue us in who I'll violate today? Is that simple enough, I mean simple enough to you? Come on, genius, tell the world who I shot today.....tell the world who's Rights I violated..come on now, strain that brain and tell us Gun control laws work here: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...om-utility-workers-home?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=5
This is just repetition of the rant! The evidence shows that personal gun preferences lead to coercive effects. Don't like it? Boo bleedin hoo!
what's not to like about insanity...answer the question...or maybe you can't.............just admit you can't and move on............ who cares about your opinion? A) none of the gun supporters B) only fascists C) only control freaks D) the 550,000 -6,000,000 unregistered guns in your country? E) all of the above Since you are a Man's Man, you'll be here in time for dinner and gun practice today?
I'm finding the ranting strategy just a little tiresome! The evidence supports the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis. The evidence shows that gun control does significantly impact on homicide and suicide rates. Now I appreciate that is terribly inconvenient for the rant, but I can't play silly blighters and ignore the evidence. Given that, try the rant strategy with someone else!
really? you argue from an unarmed point of view...so tell the rest of the world, who Rights I've violated today? maybe yesterday.......I take it you're not coming for dinner and gun practice today............
No, only a theory supports your little hypothesis. You can dance around with your studies all you want, but it does not make them concrete. It is impossible to take all facts into consideration, it would take a lifetime.
Why are you making such ludicrous statements? The theory provides a means to set up the hypothesis and avoid data mining. The empirical evidence, to ensure robustness, is reliant on that approach. The resulting analysis makes your position look decidedly silly, explaining of course the anti-intellectualism that you have pursued.
you really aren't getting it............................a man without a thought relies upon others to do his thinking for him..... why don't you take your numbers for a long walk on a short pier. You keep arguing in circles and never getting a clue. Always presenting the same argument and failing to convince anyone from the US that you have any relevance or significance. Kind of like a dog chasing his own tail...he never gets anywhere at all, either. You keep almost commanding us to give creedence to your argument while denying our Rights..... Give me one name of someone in here that you have convinced with such feeble arguments. Yo would rather insult us when we do not accept your"special pleadings of fallacy". Why should we even give you the time of day when you wont work with us? single-mindedness often leads to insanity....... I'll state your argument for you ..you would rather see us disarmed. That about Right? Then we reply, it isn't any of your business..then you start with the insults and braying and stomping of foot. We don't care about you and yours...get it? go home and fix your (*)(*)(*)(*)...........you have enough going on there to start with
