By sheer accident I stumbled upon this sad site: Malaysian Flight More Newsworthy Than 8,000 Veteran Suicides Since March 8, CNN and FOX News have been reporting the air disaster non-stop. As a result, were forced to watch countless aviation experts guess and theorize at what might have happened, compounded by politicians who are even more clueless. Since March 8, an estimated 440 of our Military Veterans have committed suicide on American soil. Thats 437 more than the number of American passengers who perished on Flight 370. A study by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) reports that an average of 22 Veterans commit suicide every day Oh God, is this sad!! WHY is this happening? I see they have a wheelchair, but is that all? Are those poor souls drugged? Are they in pain still? Is America so poor it cannot embrace their broken and lonely veterans, who gave all they had... their lives for the rich to get richer?? What a national tragedy and shame. What a reckless nation to forget their injured young men. Move over, Obama, you just wasted x billions on Ukraine, where you have no business to interfere, let me take over!! My first priority would be to help these poor broken souls. They need to know and feel they are cherished and loved by their country. Perhaps they can even do some important paid community work to make them feel needed and useful. I would personally go and visit them and ask them what I could do for them to make them feel better. Boy, I would clean up America!!!!! No more money wasted on stupid wars, that's for sure!!!! I'd extend my hand to all the enemies and ask them for forgiveness, that would be my # 2 job. Are there any other nations with such horrendous suicide rates among veterans? I've never heard of any. Anyway, I said my piece and hope some Washington snooper will read this and tell Obama! http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/28/malaysian-flight-more-newsworthy-than-8000-veteran-suicides/
We've had 8-12 suicides from veterans in Canada this year that is in the news every week. And ta And are talking about it in parliament. 22 per day.. that cannot be a real figure.
It's averaged. From the link: Theres been very little news coverage about the greatest human disaster in American history, which is the catastrophic loss of more than 8,000 lives annually by suicide of those who have defended our Nations freedom. At least this forum is helping to get the message out and help public awareness. Yes, too bad we in Canada have also these broken souls. 8 - 12 in 3 months = 48/yr. Of course, we don't have as many soldiers out there as the Americans do. Because there has been a suicide in my family, it makes me much more alert and sympathetic to their plight. Often people around them don't notice the preparation and signs of the impending tragedy. My neighbor, a couple of years ago, took his life by hanging himself in the garage. In hindsight I could later piece the obvious signs together. But everybody is busy and doesn't realize nor analyze the signs. Serious suiciders usually don't talk about it or threaten to do it... they are silent.
No, I don't know such things... I live in Canada. Nasty Republicans you have!! Aren't they the ones who start the wars? Bush was a republican. This heartbreaking sore is a big stain on the US. They may not care, but it will have an impact on how the world will see and judge them. Already they have lost their image of a great, freedom loving, patriotic country where everybody could become a millionaire. Those times are over. Americans spread only terror wherever they go. Very sad.
Veterans have getting screwed over since Alexander conquered half the world. As sad as it is, it is nothing new, and not confined to the US. Maybe Canadian veterans over the years have been looked after, but I would suggest thats the exception not the rule
as sad as that is isnt the same for everyone with a work related injury?...if you're a farmer or construction worker and you become permently disbled the same fate awaits them...society in general is oblivious to our disbled and disadvantaged...
The VA estimates were that 69% of these suicides were people 50 or older and that victims of sexual assault in the military were 6 times more likely to attempt suicide than similar civilians so you might want to consider that before you condemn a nation based on a stereotype of who is doing the suicides. The estimates are likely under though as California and Texas won't release their data, coroners sometimes clean up the cause of death, some causes of death like auto accidents or OD's do not get picked up as suicides, it isn't always so clear who was or was not a veteran from death certificates, etc.
However I am not sure if that is as universal. Some countries do okay providing for this disabled through work related injuries. Could we do better? Possibly but I am certainly not in a position to make definitive statements on the matter
absolutely we can do better, this "soulless free market" has morphed into an uncaring selfish society far from our hunter gather beginnings, our ancestors cherished and cared for their disabled, every member of society was valuable...today it's become "to bad so sad, we'd like to help but not if we to pay higher taxes" it's an every man for himself attitude...
That I can definitely agree with that. I think post industrial society seems to be further isolating itself with each generation, and the every man for himself is becoming a more dominant philosophy
I think the hard part is the missing social life, friends and involvement in the community. Then, the difference to an accident or work related injury is, that a soldier has had endless stress, little sleep and the horror pictures of raw brutality and maiming; seeing women and children getting hurt and killed... suffering himself. His former life is over... depression sets in, hopelessness and despair. The Question, What for? Why? What has been accomplished? Nothing has been accomplished he could be proud of. Senseless bombing and killing! Remember the great boxer Mohammed Ali? He refused to go to Vietnam: "No Vietnamese ever called me a N*gger!"
Your nation needs to wake up! If you can't see it yourself, then I'll have to tell you that. It is never a black and white picture, there are shades of grey inbetween, and figures are estimates. So, 2/3 of the sad ones are over 50. What does that mean? Tired of life? End of rope? No will left to carry on? Heard today: "200 people die daily in US hospitals from preventable infections." Seems high. But there live a lot of people in the States. Almost 10 x more than in Canada.
MD's see children die, fireman and police as well pulling them out of fires and car wreaks...people die in wars, if they enlist they can't whine that they didn't know what they would encounter the realities of war, this isn't a Hollywood fantasy where no one really dies... they're fully aware of the dangers and downsides of their occupations when they take their jobs, they don't deserve extra sympathy...but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get fair compensation and support for their work related injuries...
Not a whole lot the military can do once they leave service and not a whole lot we can do if someone decides to kill themselves. Don't know--you tell me. Not sure if you mean infections that could have been prevented to keep them going to the hospital or if you mean infections contracted in a hospital. Really there is only so much one can do in that regard. I do know that a lot of ICU's and Surgery Suites (i.e. operating/recovery rooms) are starting to be kept frigid cold as a way of controlling germs. Maybe Canada has finally found its natural advantage--it is too freaking cold for germs to live there.
Yes, perhaps their conscience set in. But at real fault is the American leadership and their puppets behind them ---> the CFR published a report in September 2000, recommending policies for preserving and expanding U.S. dominance in world affairs, including an aggressive policy for deposing Saddam Hussein. Members of this group include: Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, convicted Iran-Contra perjurer and current National Security Council (NSC) staffer Elliot Abrams, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff and assistant for national security affairs. The soldiers, who have to do the dirty job, should not be blamed, they are too young, often fresh out of high school, brainwashed and drilled to follow orders. It is the big wigs in their plush offices who bear the sole responsibility. http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100102_bush_advisors.html http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan
Yes, at least for six months of the year!!! These infections were contracted while in the hospital. I recently had an operation that required a catheter. Sure enough, I got a bladder infection. 10 days of anti-biotic pills couldn't fix it. I started to eat raw garlic every day. In about 5 days it was gone. About a year ago I watched a documentary about cleanliness in Canadian hospitals. Shocking, I tell you!!! What it often is, is, that they want to save money and cut on cleaning staff. The cleaning staff in turn has to cut corners to finish in time, or they are careless and sloppy. I have no idea how much a cleaning person in the hospital gets paid, but maybe they should offer better pay and insist on an excellent performance.
Catheters are often a source for nasty infections. My mom was dehydrated once and couldn't give a pee sample, so they did the cath to get it, and voila, her clean urine in the test became an antibiotic resistant UTI in fairly short order after she left the hospital. Personally, I would be more inclined to blame the nurse than the cleaning lady. I have observed some pretty sloppy practices in hospitals, especially ER's.
It is what it is... and it seems to be in our genes to fight and conquer and rob and steal and KILL! It happens all over the globe. But still... we also feel sorry and have empathy and want to help and comfort another soul who struggles hard and too often gives up. That, too, is in our genes, in our nature. Anyway, I brought this tragedy to your attention. It is up to you citizens of the blessed United States to come up with some help or forget it. As you say, people, kids die every day... animals too. It's a dying planet!!!!
Absolutely, nurses are in the front row. If they are not careful, it can cost you your life. Recently I talked with a young mother who, quite by accident, observed some public nurses in the school, as they were examining the young students' teeth. They went from one kid to the next without changing or cleaning their gloves or instruments. Imagine!! They simply didn't care, and the kids wouldn't know any better or were too frightened. No. 1 job: Educate your kids about such violations and give them the confidence to refuse. Parents don't even get notified about such an inspection. They do the same with vaccinations... no consent from parents necessary, the State acts alone as the almighty authority!
