A Time to Kill

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by bricklayer, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said 5 months, not 5 months and one week. And did you not read it? It's 0-10% survival at 21 weeks. Practically zilch. I think there are only 2 surviving that were born at 21 weeks five days and 21 weeks 6 days, which is almost 22 weeks.

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    Zefs are not human beings.
     
  2. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the unborn are unique individual human distinguishable form any other human a toe nail isn't a bowl movement isn't
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    where is it written which location is the deciding factor who deserves and doesn't deserve basic human rights

    they should be allotted the same rights as you and I unless you want to claim the are a different class of humans like they did to justify owning slaves

    you are no better then a slave owner justify owning another human "they ae human but a different class of human so we can do what the hell we want with them"
     
  4. Vegas giants

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    They are brain dead humans.....and we kill them all the time
     
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    not true, hence the prohibition on late term abortion at will. NEXT!
     
  6. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A 12 week old unborn has measurable brain activity far from being brain dead
    a 12 week and older unborn meets every scientific criteria to be classified as an alive unique individual human
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Not true. A eeg of a fetus is the same as a brain dead patient until week 24 to 27. A brain dead patient often has some brain activity
     
  8. WAN

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    The inability to be self-sufficient should not preclude the fetus from being human life.
     
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    The right to life on a brain dead human passes to the next of kin
     
  10. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what you are trying to say. But I think there has been hot debates over whether one gets to un-plug on the brain-dead.
     
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    But we do it every day in this country. And a fetus is brain dead till week 24 to 27. Few would argue that brain dead people MUST be kept alive. Some....but very few
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Brain activity is not required for an entity to be qualified as human life. Thought exercise for you: what is the fetus, if not human life? Is it human death? Or is it animal life?
     
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    A fetus is a human life. A brain dead patient is a human life. We kill them both every day in this country
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can be a murderer all you want, but those of us with a conscience, won't.
     
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    Is killing a brain dead patient murder?

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    Is killing a brain dead patient murder?
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it is.
     
  17. Vegas giants

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    Ok well I disagree. But you are free to have your own opinion.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That the deliberate killing of a brain-dead person being murder is not an opinion.
     
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    Actually you got it wrong. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a human being with malice aforethought.
     
  20. WAN

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    Unlike you, I don't let man-made laws dictate morality to me. I used my brains and let me conscience guide me. And the conclusion that I have reached is that abortion is indeed murder. Just because the law allows it, it doesn't make it not murder.

    Laws aren't infallible. They can be wrong, too.
     
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    Laws can be wrong. And I decide my own morality. And I have decided that abortion and euthanasia are good and moral and just.
     
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    So you think that murder is good, moral and just. Got it.
     
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    Nope. But killing humans can be. Even you agree with that
     
  24. WAN

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    I actually have to agree with you (some what). I believe that in most circumstances, murder is wrong. However there are cases where it might be justified. Such as the killing of people who are convicted of violent crimes. Rapists, murderers, animal or human torturers..etc.
     
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    You keep getting the language wrong. It would not be murder in those cases. Words have meaning.
     

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