A wahhabi imam planted pages of the Koran burnt pages in the bag of a Christian girl

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  1. Tyrerik

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    Wahabism is just one of many different radical Islamist groupings kindling the resurgence. Just a couple of other examples are the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahrir.

    The most essential and obvious difference would be that the Red Army Faction ideology was an extreme authoritarian one whereas O Palme's ideology was strongly antiauthoritarianism. I'm surprised you weren't aware of that.
     
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    wahhabism is a en export form of Islamic fundamentalism with ambitions to take over our planet (much like Marx´s permanent revolution ) . Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahrir do not tray take control over minds and souls of your afro-Americans, all your Muslim institutions , build mosques around the glob (Minsk, Riga, Oslo, etc.)


    i can find much more differences , what i want to say that Swedish form of governance is mega effective and has no need in authoritarianism ...
     
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    There's little distinction.

    THE HIZB AL-TAHRIR IN CENTRAL ASIA:
    HOW AMERICA MISREADS ISLAMIST THREATS


    Muslim Brotherhood:

    "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

    The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release, as evidence, of several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is "settlement," defined by the brotherhood as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilisation from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions. In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood), as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).


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    I'm not sure how the Swedish form of government comes into this....
     
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    does Muslim_Brotherhood have 60 billions to spend on their jihad? do the leaders of Muslim_Brotherhood friends with Bush clan?
     
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    does Muslim_Brotherhood have 60 billions to spend on their jihad? do the leaders of Muslim_Brotherhood friends with Bush clan?
    Plame was a Swedish PM...
     
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    Sure they've already had some of those billions:

    For decades, the Brotherhood enjoyed the support of the government of Saudi Arabia and its oil billions, which helped the group expand in the United States.

    Past and present Muslim Brotherhood supporters make up the U.S. Islamic community's most organized force. They run hundreds of mosques and dozens of businesses engaging in ventures such as real estate development and banking.


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    The Bush clan is out of office.

    Yes, I'm well aware Palme was a Swedish PM, so what?
     
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    much possible that MB gets same bones from wahhabi table but still i they can not compare with wahhabi power . "Our view is that the number of mosques under Wahhabi control actually totals at least 600 out of the official total of 1,200, while, as noted, Shia community leaders
    endorse the figure of 80 percent Wahhabi control. But we also offer a number of 4-6,000
    mosques overall, including small and diverse congregations of many kinds.
    A radical critic of Wahhabism stated some years ago that $25m had been spent on
    Islamic Centers in the U.S. by the Saudi authorities. This now seems a low figure.
    Another anti-extremist Islamic figure has estimated Saudi expenses in the U.S., over 30
    years, and including schools and free books as well as mosques, near a billion dollars."http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/congress/sc062603_schwartz.pdf

    out of office but out of power/influence?

    ps about Palme ..nevermind lets back on topic
     
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    Ehsan Ahrari
    Middle East analyst
    CE of Alexandria the Virginia based Strategic Paradigms

    The Arab press this week are running stories on the big threat now to Saudi. How Saudi refused to allow the US government to investigate or get access to the intelligence surrounding the Riyadh and Khobar bombings that killed American citizens. 2003-2006

    The US embassy is warning it's citizens of threats to their safety in Saudi.

    Their Wahabi ideology and support for AQ in the past and the funding of so many terrorist groups on the condition they 'leave Saudi alone' is not working these days and the throne itself is under threat because ultimately the throne is the big prize for the Wahabi jihadists who see Al Saud as a Western puppet and collaborator in killing Muslims.

    It was just a matter of time.

    Eventually the Frankenstein they build they lose control of.

    The media are saying this week also that Saudi young men are drawn to terrorist activities and forming cells because of unemployment and that they 'expect comfortable well paid jobs in the civil service' that they are not qualified for.
    Their education is not enabling them to fill posts that require higher and better qualifications. A wave of young angry Saudi men with nothing to do but sit on the internet reading about Jihad and AQ and Arab Spring.
     
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    The Saudi hate the MB actually so get no bones from their table
     
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    Jewish bible verse on blasphemy

    Is this why Muslims believe so much of the bible is corrupted?
    Why Jews and Christians change so many practices now because they also now dont believe many verses in their own books as the Quran states it is corrupted?

    Deuteronomy

    "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."
     
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    why does house of saud hate MB? any link?
     
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    Not according to the evidence I posted for you and you failed to refute.

    Anyway so how come they funneled funds to the Afghan Mujahadeen through the Maktab al-Khidamat, an organisation setup by Bin Laden, an MB follower and MB member Abdullah Yusuf Azzam?
     
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    There's a long history of rivalry between Saudi and Egypt over who holds the reins when it comes to Islam. Saudis have Mecca and money, Egypt has Al Azhar and population.
     
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    Well one well known reason is that the MB are very commercial and involved in politics and are educated etc.

    The Al Saud do not like that kind of threat in Islamic groups because they pose a threat to their throne.

    They prefer Wahabism that is designed not to oppose the throne or be political and not to be any threat to leadership.

    MB would be a threat to their thrones.

    I dont have a link on that it is just well known in the Arab world.
     
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    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/07/12/not-all-islamists-get-along/


    The Saudis are terrified that the revolution in Egypt will sweep across the Red Sea to them and will throw as much money as they can to stop that happening and threatening their throne.
     
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    http://lawisanass-wingate.blogspot.com/2012/03/saudi-arabia-and-muslim-brotherhood.html
     
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    i think here to mention the main deference between those 2 , MB fights for Islamic democracy, Saudis are hardcore totalitarians .
     
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    yes

    that's the way these despotic dictators manage to hold on to power and thrones and wealth while shouting and arming rebels to fight for democracy and freedom of speech and media as long as it is not on their land!


    one word

    Hypocrites
     
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    Hypocrites like the US government buying 21 attack helicopters from Russia to attack Afghanis and then condemning Russia for sending arms to Syria!

    It's beyond imagination the hypocrisy!

    by the way!

    are the Americans crashing so many helicopters they can't replace them fast enough with US made ones and have to buy Russian ?

    :confused:
     
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    soviet had helicopters as it specialty, mujahedins were terrified by helicopters with red stars on , then they much easy to operate , but its all waist of money krazay regime will fall in the same day when usa leaves a-stan
     
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    Correction, MB has adopted a tactic of supporting democracy when it sees this as a means to achieve its goal. Its gaol is:

    "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

    Nothing there about fighting for democracy and everything about hardcore totalitarianism. If you think any ordinary non Muslim on the street distinguishes this as moderate democratic Islamism different from hardcore Wahabi Islamism then you are very much mistaken.
     
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    Not according to the evidence I posted for you and you failed to refute.

    Anyway so how come they funneled funds to the Afghan Mujahadeen through the Maktab al-Khidamat, an organisation setup by Bin Laden, an MB follower and MB member Abdullah Yusuf Azzam?
     
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    can an ordinary non Muslim American on the street distinguish Sweden and Switzerland ? its not an argument , there are many MB´s with out solid ideology , but wahhabism rules by one family and represent 1 ideology.
     
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    The average non European would not find much distinction between Sweden and Switzerland because just as with Islamist sects, there isn't! Both countries are well established modern, Western, European, liberal democracies. They are both in the EU have around the same population and have snow covered mountain ranges with glaciers. Not an argument, its a good argument!

    IMO the MB is a pretty disciplined group since their members pay income tax to the group. For at that individual members may say I don't really have any doubt that they support the basic tenents of Islamism and that doesn't include democracy! As I understand it Wahabism isn't controlled by one family. Which family did you have in mind, Bin Laden's, Saud's?
     
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    house of saud
     

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