Abiogenesis

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  1. V8rider

    V8rider New Member

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    I'm doing nothing more that what Wolverine does concerning Christians. I do not believe we, or any other mammal, came from a fish any more than Wolverine believes there is a God.

    Theorize all you want, but in the end, it's just that, a theory. Unless you can produce an animal in any stage of an evolutionary change, you have no proof.
     
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    Evry animal is in a state of evolutionary change, it is constant.
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Meh, macroscopic evolution has been observed. Like it or not.

    Nuclear weapons are derived from atomic theory, do you dismiss their existence as well?
     
  4. DeathStar

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    The problem is that you're using the "God of the gaps" argument. Do you know what's meant by that?
     
  5. V8rider

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    I have never suggested that theory as my basis for belief. I believe God exists because I have witnessed otherwise unexplainable things and I believe the historical writings that say he does.

    As for the atomic theory, I have seen photos and videos of nuclear bombs being exploded.

    Comparing a mutating cell in a lab to the evolution of one creature into an entirely different creature is nonsense. Show me the videos or historical eye-witness accounts of such a thing. Otherwise, you are just as disillusioned as you think I am.
     
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    Read "The Coming Plague" for examples of macroevolution.
     
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    Here's a site that thoroughly debunks that piece of filth Expelled:

    http://www.expelledexposed.com/

    Religious people can never be honest when it comes to pushing their agenda and always have to misrepresent science to the best of their ability. If they were honest they'd recognize that science is often more correct than they give it credit for.

    for example:
     
  8. montra

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    It's true. Check this out everyone!!
     

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  9. montra

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    Now compare this to Obama in 2008.
     

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    I get the feeling that some of you do not know the difference between evolution and abiogenesis.
     
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    They are both driven by natural selection, because "natural selection" can happen to things which are only part-way between being primordial chemicals and living cells, and you could say that primordial chemicals "evolve" into being living cells. But speciation is not even the same ballpark as abiogenesis, yeah; people conflate them all the time
     
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    the crystal theory is actually pretty good. Its kind of like how robots are simple now. but a thousand years from now the humanoid ones will be almost if not impossible to tell apart from humans.
     
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    Abiogenesis: The Study of how life forms from inert manor.
    Evoluton: How life evolves from living organism to another AFTER life has formed.
     
  14. V8rider

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    Like pulling a rabbit out of a hat

    Like being a fish, and then being a giraffe.
     
  15. rstones199

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    Pulling a rabbit out of a hat is a magician trick. Magic and Abiogenesis have nothing to do with each other.


    Not quite. There would be several intermediate species in between ancient fish and modern day Giraffes.
     
  16. DeathStar

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    Without addressing the obvious and comical ignorance of this post here (no offense), I'll just say that no matter HOW weird or incredible evolution/abiogenesis both seem, there's still evidence that at least organic chemicals and reproduction and genetic changes exist and occur (which are the requirements for evolution/abiogenesis).

    Whereas there's ZERO evidence WHATSOEVER for the existence of ANYTHING supernatural.

    So, no matter HOW unlikely evolution/abiogenesis seem, they're ALWAYS gonna be MORE likely than "god" and "demons" and "spirits" and fairies and Santa Claus and Zeus and the Easter Bunny, UNTIL YOU GIVE VALID EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SAID THINGS.

    You just don't get this SIMPLE point, despite it being, well, SO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING SIMPLE.

    Pathetic.
     
  17. montra

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    Don't be ridiculous. It's like being a fish, then a figaraffe, then a giraffe.
     
  18. montra

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    So essentially a miracle occured without any hint of the supernatural?

    Can I smoke some of that? :weed:
     
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    Read my previous post. It explains everything..for the millionth time.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? According to your own logic, wouldn't something as complicated as cell division or reproduction of life itself be a "miracle" because of it's complexity? In that case, shouldn't it be impossible for life forms to reproduce on their own without help from something supernatural?
     
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    So you are saying that life is not a miracle?
     
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    Of course not. Happens in labs every day by mad scientists. "Now we take zee dirt, we put zee dirt in zee beeker. A leetle shake, a leetle stir and VOILA!! We haff a leeving creature!!! Muahahahahahahahaha!!!"

    I like the magic trick where the guy pulls a rabbit out of the hat, puts it back in, then pulls out a fish, puts it back in, then pulls out a giraffe.

    That one gets me every time. Just go to any science lab, they will show you.
     
  23. rstones199

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    At the present time, we have not been able to create a life form that can self replicate itself out of inert mattter.

    But scientists expect to be able to create life with in 5 years:

    Note: this article is 5 years old.
    Scientists expect to create life in next 10 years


    US scientists close to creating artificial life: study
     
  24. Wolverine

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    Lol

    If evolution were as the creationists describe I would oppose it too.

    Gladly, though, they haven't a clue of what they are talking about.
     
  25. V8rider

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    For being such "educated" men, they sure are gullible.

    I'd like to go ahead and place an order now for my lab-created life form. Make it female, 5'10" 130 lbs, long dark hair and 36-24-36.

    Can I get that to go please?
     

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