"Abortion is murder!"...how to destroy it in 3-4 quick questions

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  1. FoxHastings

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    not the opposite at all, you have provided nothing at all to support your assertion that abortion has increased these things, even the data you did supply doesn't tie abortion to any of them. I asked you for the actual research into this and so far you have evaded posting it, one wonders if that is because there is none and this is something you made up.

    and again you are attempting to project what you think as what I say instead of what reality is.

    economically speaking abortion is not a bad idea in anyway, shape or form, quite the opposite.
     
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    You can look at the timeline for our country. Look at the declining schools over the same time period. Look at the increased health care costs. Yes, as you mention there are other factors that contribute to these maladies. However, you are unwilling to acknowledge that abortion has any affect on them. Your phantom economic boom from abortion is completely baseless for anyone except the Planned Parenthood CEO.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I have looked at these things numerous times, usually because pro-lifers try (and fail) to twist them into supporting their ideology. I'll ask for the third time to please supply the research that shows abortion is a factor in these things, until you do it is nothing more than your fantasy without a shred of evidence to support it.

    Wrong. Had abortion not been legalized in 1973 there would have been approx. 17.2 million more people employed in 2008, earning nearly $400 billion in wages and salary. At the current rates, that would have meant more than $11 billion more contributed to Medicare and at least $47.4 billion more going to Social Security .. however that amount pales into insignificance when compared to the cost to state of welfare.

    In 2010 there were 765,651 reported abortions in the USA - http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6208a1.htm

    86% of abortions, according to this site - http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...-you-very-sick - are for 'convenience' reasons.

    Therefore if elective abortion were banned there would have been 658,459 more possible births (86% of 765,651), approximately 1/4 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or still birth leaving a total of 493,844 live births

    69% of women having abortions live at or below the poverty line - http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/US-Abortion-Patients.pdf - that equates to 340,752 children born into families that will require extra welfare in order to cope.

    Based on data from The Senate Budget Committee a woman below the poverty line will receive around $202 (Federal & State) for each child per month ($2,424 per year) that is an extra $825,982,848 per year ($2,424 x 340,752) added to the welfare budget, and this in a time when republicans are calling for cuts in the welfare budget, and this does not take into account the extra cost of children going into care (around 10% of all live births end up in care)
     
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    The major change in "societal well-being" caused by decriminalization of abortion is that fewer women die from abortion. Economically speaking abortion is a good idea for those who cannot afford to rear a child. I doubt abortion has had any affect at all on the rating of schools, after all, why should schools decline (assuming school funding doesn't decline) because of fewer students to serve? An explosion of poverty in spite of great economic growth can only be explained by policies which benefit the rich to the detriment of the middle and lower classes.
     
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    So in return for saving a couple women (without very good judgement) from possibly dying in some back alley, we all have to put up with crime, crummy schools, and mass poverty. How many women would you estimate used to die in back-alley abortions? I think that will be a small fraction of the cost in human life compared to just the number of blacks that are aborted each year. I think in New York city for example, more black babies are aborted than born. Sounds more like black genocide than the liberation of women you describe.
     
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    Oh, the old numbers game.....please show proof that any woman, black or white, was FORCED to have an abortion....or stop with the "genocide" crap.


    Why do you think black women should have their abortions rationed? That is discrimination. And racist.


    Abortion , as you have been shown, has nothing to do with crime rates. Although I believe crowded areas with too many people does contribute to crime....hence more crime in cities.

    Having less children IN schools doesn't cause crummy schools.

    And having kids a person can't afford leads to poverty.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lacking good judgement is not a capital crime, not a crime at all. Minimizing the number of deaths and minimizing the effects of those deaths (well she didn't have good judgement anyway) is disgusting. You have given NO evidence that abortion is associated with crime, crummy schools, and/or mass poverty, in fact, the opposite should be the case. Race is not the issue, CHOICE is the issue for all women of all colors.
     

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