Abortionists Admit to Killing Infants that Survive Abortion

there has been certain posters on this forum claiming that no babies are aborted and survive....here is proof there ARE babies surviving abortion and then murdered by abortion doctors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/us-crime-abortion-pennsylvania-idUSTRE79Q7GK20111027

 

dupe thread.

 

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this story came out on October 27 (yesterday) and there are no threads started yesterday other than this one. there are only three threads that were posted in at ALL yesterday so this can't be a 'dupe thread'

you may believe you have read it before because it happens with such regularity; abortionists have no respect for human life OR the law

and no compassion at all.

 

Why not "Abortionists Plead Guilty to Murder"?

And, you forget the even bigger lie that late-term abortions are so incredibily rare, and only to save the life of the unfortunate mother, that we don't need to consider them, or the chidlren, anyway.

 

I used that title because I was addressing the lie that has been put forth so often that NO baby EVER survives an abortion

but you are correct, this was cold blooded pure murder only the most extreme abortionist could defend.

remember according to some of them, killing an infant up to two years old should be considered abortion.

and yes, the other lie that no woman would voluntarily undergo an abortion so late in the term..they pretend a woman grows a conscience when she gets eight months along that she didn't have at four months..or three.

 

Those abortions were illegal to begin with. And only desperate women went to that chop shop. Late-term abortions are already illegal in most states except for a few limited circumstances. And women asking for abortions in late-term have only a few limited circumstances. Other than the medical reasons compelling the rare late-term abortions, some women don't know they are pregnant until late and have therefore failed to bond with the fetus. Since there are only a handful of late-term abortions done at all, the elective ones would be so rare as to be statistically non-existent.

http://www.amplifyyourvoice.org/u/vanessaaishacoleman/2009/6/1/Late-Term-Abortions

Most states leave it up to the physician to determine if a situation meets the critiera for a late term abortion such as: preserving the life and health (physical and mental) of the mother or if the infant would not otherwise be viable. So one should realize according to this criteria and the strict legal restrictions on late term abortions that there are probably extremely few cases in which a woman wakes up one day in her 24th week of pregnancy and decides to get an abortion especially considering that it is a painful surgical procedure.

According to the highly respected, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), most late term abortions are not on whim and infact:

"Women who have late abortions often are disadvantaged. Teenagers, especially those younger than 15 years, and women of minority status disproportionately have late abortions.3 Many of these patients either do not suspect the pregnancy or attempt to conceal it until the pregnancy becomes evident. Menstrual irregularity is an important risk factor.10 Women with irregular menses often discover late that they are pregnant. Other risk factors include young age, low educational attainment, having had a sexually transmitted disease, and ambivalence about the decision to abort.11 Thus, many of the factors associated with late abortions are not easily changed.

Women seeking late abortions are often disadvantaged in other ways, such as lack of knowledge about options, lack of money to pay for the procedure, lack of transportation to a provider, and alcohol or other drug dependence. Some young women are unaware of the availability of late abortions. Since enactment of the Hyde Amendment, the federal government has not paid for indigent women to have abortions, and few states subsidize abortion services. Hence, some women need weeks to raise the money to pay for an abortion, which delays the procedure until the second trimester. Of note, states that fund abortions have significantly lower rates of teen pregnancy, low-birth-weight babies, premature births, and births with late or no prenatal care than do other states.

Geography poses yet another barrier: more than 80% of US counties do not have an abortion provider. Providers of late abortion are even more scarce. In 1993, only 13% of US abortion providers offered abortions at 21 weeks, and the cost averaged more than $1000.12"

 

and there you are...

now it's "Oh late term abortions are illegal!! except when the woman feels like it and the doc gets paid enough...*wink wink*"

Again, this thread is addressing in particular the lie that babies don't survive abortion.

 

There were no abortions occurring in this place though. It says right here in the article that he was in fact delivering the babies alive and then murdering them.

Surely these women were seeking abortions, albeit late term and illegal ones (unless they had sufficient reason to legally obtain them), but no abortions were performed in this clinic. Unless you believe delivering babies alive and then slicing their spinal cords with scissors is an actual abortion procedure. Because it's not.

This is infanticide and murder only. There were no babies that survived any abortions because there were absolutely no abortions performed.

 

Lets get our facts right. The pro life brigade love to tell us that 'babies survive abortion'. The fact is that no baby has ever survived an abortion, and never will.
Its as ridiculous as saying that you can survive being murdered. No such thing.

What these babies survived was an ATTEMPTED abortion, which is NOT the same thing.

 

There weren't even any abortion procedures attempted though because they were all delivered alive and THEN killed. If you deliver a living baby then there was no abortion performed. There is no such thing as delivering a person and then 'aborting' them. You either abort them in the womb or you don't.

What this man did was murder. Plain and simple.

 

True. It was an obvious case of murder, the man was not even an abortionist, but lets not forget that lifers will claim he was in order to push their agenda.

 

I imagine so. But just wait and see. Someone will say delivering a neonate alive and then murdering it = abortion.

 

*rolls eyes*

typical Progressive, "what does 'is' mean?"...parsing words, thinking that you win points by semantics. Pathetic.

if an abortion is ATTEMPTED and you survive it, then you survived an abortion.

talking to Progressives is like going to the Fun House at the fair, they lack logic but are entertaining in their bizarre little way.

 

Two employees of a Philadelphia abortion clinic where live, viable babies were allegedly killed and a patient died after being given on overdose of painkillers pleaded guilty on Thursday to murder.


I know it is inconvenient for your side but what part of "abortion clinic" do you not understand?

this wasn't a 'birth center' or a hospital.

 

so you are claiming someone that runs or works at an ABORTION CENTER is not an abortionist?

ROTF!

thanks for playing..

 

But none of those babies was aborted. If they were aborted, they would have been dead before they were born.

 

The man was not performing abortions. He was performing murders. I am sorry I cannot explain it any better than that. *shrug*

 

*sigh*

well, I can't help you with understanding the basic concept here...it requires some willingness from you to understand and I know the whole agenda doesn't allow it

but again, these babies survived abortions, they were not born at a hospital or a birth center, their mothers went to an abortion clinic to kill them.

no hoop or twist in logic gets out of that.

 

oh I understand completely that you can't explain it...illogic IS difficult to explain.

an abortion clinic commits abortions, the people that work at an abortion clinic commit abortions...that makes them "abortionists".

see how easy simple logic is?

 

The doctor wasn't performing abortions, though.

 

So all people who work at a hospital are doctors and nurses?

 

interesting definition of abortionist

 

It also seems to be saying that a miscarriage is an abortion.

 

of course not but to preempt your next illogical straw man:

the janitor at the abortion clinic wasnt' the one killing infants...

 

You said that the people who work at abortion clinics are abortionists. I just showed you that wasn't the case.