About Student Loan Forgiveness...

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  1. MelshieMaze

    MelshieMaze Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, well when you say it that way it seems like the feds having too much influence is the biggest problem.
     
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    Why does big business get millions in subsidies but I don't?
     
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    Ignoring all those paycheck protection "loans" aren't you?
     
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    Not only that, it’s a slap in the face to every college graduate who paid off their loans and every parent who paid for their child’s education. It’s also a slap in the faces of all of those who paid for trade schools who are now our electricians, IT people, cooks, pilots, etc. And it’s welfare for the most highly paid segment of our society.

    Everything is wrong about this.
     
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    Yes indeed. 85% of the funding for higher education comes from these programs. Another 5 to 10% comes from research grants. So the federal government IS THE DEMAND for the most part. The funding sets the price students must pay back at a later date or the amount of grant money available to the universities. If you want to get tuition down to a reasonable level, the only logical solution is to drastically reduce or eliminate these programs. This would return higher education to a capitalist market place and force the universities to reduce their costs and waste. It would also force the universities to be more responsive to their customers and offer more marketable education. Higher education is one of the most socialist industries (if not THE MOST) in the nation. Compensation and pensions for educators is truly stunning and far exceeds what would otherwise be considered the market value if it were capitalist in nature. And tenure?

    Of course the legislators scream from the rafters about how important it is to have government subsidized education. What could be more important than educating the next generation!!! How could students possibly afford the cost of an education without socialized education? Of course this is a deflection from the reality. These programs don't serve the students in any way. They serve the universities and act as a power grab over control of higher education. They actually make it much more difficult and less economically feasible to make the decision to get a college degree.

    I once had a coworker who had two daughters in college at a major university. Funny guy. He and his wife saved for years to afford his daughter's educations. He and his wife had agreed to pay for their daughters undergraduate degrees. He mentioned how happy he was to finally be finished paying his last tuition installment. I asked him what their majors were. He laughed and said some ridiculous subject he couldn't even begin to figure out. Totally worthless, but that's on them. We've finished with our obligation. His oldest daughter got a degree in Activity Organization. He said nearest he could tell it was about how to plan a birthday party or company picnic. His younger daughter got a degree in Abundant Living. His assessment was it was about how to have a happy life while your parents paid for your entitled lifestyle. LOL. They are in their early 30's now. Neither have gained meaningful employment. Both lived with their parents until just recently when one of them got engaged. He's hoping the other will soon find marital bliss as well.

    We need to drastically cut or eliminate these subsidies for higher education and convert to a voucher system for K-12. This would force the public education system to listen to the parents and get back to teaching reading, writing, math, science and civics. Marketable skills desired by parents who actually care about their children's education rather than the social engineering indoctrination foisted upon our most impressionable minds for political gain.
     
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    Absolutley incorrect.

    College tuition and fees have far outpaced inflation. And for-profit or not, colleges and universities around the country have had drastic increases in costs.

    Go research WHEN the government passed legislation that student loan debt is unbankruptable and federally backed.
     
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    You (and we here too) could definitely do with some reforms lowering the cost of tuition by cutting administration at these schools and their profits. There is absolutely no justification for the extreme waste. After that, I would also support more government funding into education, but the two have to happen together. It can't be all on the tax payer allowing more and more waste. There is no justification for such extreme overhead costs and that many admnistrators who aren't even teaching/researching.
     
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    Paying off student loans only supports perpetuating the true problem.

    Lenders have lobbied the government to pass laws that reduce their risk in lending, allowing them to loan more and more while simultaneously salaries and costs at Universities have exploded.

    This is a fraudulent arrangement between lenders and school administrators the government has signed off on. Now they are asking tax payers to prop it up.

    It's out of control and 100% politically driven to buy votes on the backs of tax payers.
     
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    Careful. You are veering off into common sense which is not valued in politics. ;)
     
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    That the attack went on for hours, that radio transmissions show that they knew it was a US vessel with a US flag, and many other factors including behavior of Lyndon Johnson, show that it was NOT an accident.

    You are likely not aware of, or reject the facts and evidence, the Israeli role in the events of 11 September. The dancing Israelis in New Jersey are but the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Israel is NOT our ally.

    That AIPAC-controlled House and Bibi both took overt actions in assaulting the US Constitution and its principles last week, is proof positive that they are domestic and foreign enemies of the US Constitution, traitors.
     
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    Just last week the House passed a bill that assaults the First Amendment. The PM of Israel urged colleges to violently arrest and smack down (Israeli style) citizens protesting the genocide in Gaza. That demonstrates what control Israel has over governmental processes in Washington. Your claim is naive as hell.
     
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    It was a screw-up. Some of it on our part. Mainly miscommunication. There is no denying Israel is a close ally. Perhaps 2nd only to Britain. The Liberty incident was a long long time ago and has been adjudicated.

    I've no idea what you are going on about in your other posts about Freedom of Speech and urging violent "smack downs". Just because we agree with Israel on any one particular manner doesn't mean Israel "controls" the US. Far from it. Israel is free to their opinion as is the US. We don't have to agree or disagree. Each sovereign nation (while closely aligned) is free to act in their own best interest. At the moment there are issues we don't fully agree on. But that's okay. Doesn't mean we aren't or won't remain allies.

    There has been no assault on the First Amendment. The students were not conducting a Free Speech demonstration according to our laws. It was an unlawful demonstration by naive traitors, instigated by treasonous radical leftist groups intent on stirring up chaos in the hopes of undermining the US government. It was therefore completely correct and well within our laws to round them up (and we continue to do so). It was just too good of an opportunity to go in and round them up, while obtaining much information on the groups themselves. Much information was gleaned on these particular groups which will be used in the near future to arrest, convict, and incarcerate their new leadership in the Super-max Prison for a LONG LONG time. THAT is why we waited a little over a week for just the right moment. The remaining minority of protestors were just gullible uneducated bored misinformed students who romanticize ANY cause. They couldn't locate Gaza or Israel on a map if you gave them a week. They were in fact the one's suffering from cognitive dissonance, refusing to believe there was any attack on Israel whatsoever on 10/7. So you needn't concern yourself with OUR 1st Amendment. We've got our inalienable rights well under control and don't need someone from the Middle East weighing in with their version of human rights.
     
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    Only if you think it is.
     

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