Advocates seek to expand gay rights

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by PatriotNews, Jun 28, 2015.

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    It's out of date. You should get a new one.

    Good luck. Ain't gonna happen. 2/3rds of the House and Senate, 3/4ths of the States. You'd be wasting time and money even trying. But, assuming you're a billionaire, go for it.
     
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    Neither would homosexuals.
     
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    Not at all. Blacks had a legitimate grievance under the 14th. For Gays, it was merely about the dough(Why, the very first article on Philly.com was about the tax breaks afforded to them). If Marriage had been separate from Federal Benefits, the State need not have "recognized marriages" of any kind. Let's call it what it is: A payoff. And the very basic argument is that the government should pay all of us off.

    But gays could have easily received Federal Benefits, without calling it a Marriage. The institution of marriage didn't have to be touched, to guarantee equal rights to gays and that's the difference between gays and the civil rights movement.
     
  4. PatriotNews

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    Funny you should mention the 14th Amendment. It was one of three amendments to the Constitution known as the Civil War Amendments. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were intended to free the slaves, give them citizenship and voting rights and Civil Rights enjoyed by all Americans. It wasn't written for homosexuals so they could get married. Here, this is part of what Justice Scalia said in his scathing rebuke of this terrible decision:
     
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    But the press doesn't give lip service to those 500 other guys, just the ones out to intentionally offend.


    Don't know where to begin with that one.

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    But like I said, a guy being with a girl is supposed to happen and but what the left wants us to believe the existence of gays is due to a mutant gene. Guys don't chase after girls because of a genetic defect.
     
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    Now you're getting it.
     
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    Who said it was a mutant gene? I merely pointed out that homosexuals are birthed by (presumably) heterosexuals. While there have, mostly in the past, been homosexuals who nonetheless had a "heterosexual" relationship, and perhaps even had children within that relationship, the overwhelming majority of homosexuals are, at the risk of being repetitive, birthed by heterosexuals. If those damn heterosexuals would just stop giving birth to homosexuals, this whole issue would not be an issue.
     
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    Isn't that the left's argument, a mutant gene causes homosexuality and it's not a choice?

    So you would abort them if you knew the fetus had the gay gene?
     
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    Abso(*)(*)(*)(*)ingloutely. Although it would be hard for my mother to do so as she passed about a month ago.
     
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    OR had a disruption in that in 2004 or so one county simply started issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples.

    While people in that county were in favor, overall it was a disruption that was stopped.

    OR ruled for same sex marriage in their state supreme court one year ago.
     
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    If you christians would stop trying to impose your religion on the rest of us, we'd probably not have a word to say about you. You have, and should have, freedom of religion. But so do the rest of us. Your freedom of religion does not give you the right to impose your religion on the rest of us.
     
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    We don't need the house or the senate. We have control of 69 out of 99 chambers of the state legislatures, control both houses in 31 states, 8 are split, and democrats have control of only 11. We can do it through an Article V Convention of the States.

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    I don't know and don't care if it's a "mutant gene". I do know it's not a "choice".

    I would not.
     
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    Genes aren't the only factor in determining human characteristics. Genes describe a pattern, in a way, and that pattern then gets carried out by processes during gestation - and perhaps after, I don't know.

    So, sexual orientation is not so controlled by genes as is, say, eye color. But, it is also not a choice.

    A case of genes not being in total control is seen in black and white cows, where genes specify the two colors and some parameters about how spots are made, but the size, shape and placement are a result of processes during gestation.
     
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    A concon would be a VERY bad idea. You would NOT be happy with the results. Regardless, it's not going to happen, nor is an Amendment barring SSM. Though I encourage you to spend every penny you have trying to get one passed.
     
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    Sorry man, there's no way I could have known.

    Sorry again.
     
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    I'm 100% not religious. But I sympathize with a lot of what Christians believe in because they have morals and a good code to live by. Now don't go picking apart Christians because I said that.
     
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    Huh? Where does this stuff come from? If sexual orientation is genetic, it's only slightly so, which is possible (resulting from the interaction of many many different genes, along with prenatal environmental conditions and who knows what else).

    Sexual orientation seems very similar to handedness. It doesn't seem heritable (two lefties are no more likely to have a lefthanded child than two righties), but there is a slight tendency to run in families. If all lefties (or all homosexuals) were to vanish overnight without ever having offspring, there'd be just as many in the next generation.

    Anyway, current genetics hasn't found anything resembling a "gay gene", and amassed a great deal of evidence that there is no such thing. But a characteristic need not be genetic to be innate.

    Apparently there is no such thing. And also apparently, if there were any prenatal test for sexual orientation and every single non-heterosexual were aborted for 10 generations, the 11th generation would still produce just as many as ever. It's not something hereditary.
     
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    It has no basis in Constitutional law.

     
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    I know you couldn't have known, and I hold no animus. Though you and I vehemently disagree on this topic, it's all good.
     
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    lol - that is a guaranteed loser if there ever was one.

    Plus, you would still have to get around the SC and its distaste for discrimination.

    Beyond that, your window is closing rapidly. The US is changing its opinion at a fast clip.
     
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    Why not quote the majority opinion, rather than the dissent? Why not quote from any of the dozens of district and circuit court decisions, all of whom found a Constitutional basis for their decisions? You have to dig pretty hard through this whole body of decisions to cherry-pick something you want to hear, and even then from a dissent, and even then from Scalia, of all people.

    Anyway, the 14th Amendment guarantees all citizens equal protection of the laws. Even if Scalia can't read.
     
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    You're on a political board and never heard the left make the gay gene argument? Ever? The argument goes if a gay gene is responsible it removes the notion that being gay is a lifestyle choice not protected by law.

    The gay gene IS the left's argument and has been for years.
     
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    Of course you would say that because you don't want the reform amendments likely to result.
     
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    Like the complete removal of the 2nd?
     
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