Affirmative Action - End or Continue?

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Should Affirmative Action be continued or ended?

  1. Continue Affirmative Action

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    11.8%
  2. End Affirmative Action

    82 vote(s)
    88.2%
  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stupid is as stupid is

    and no amount of affirmative action can, has or will cure that.
     
  2. notme

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    It's not permanent. But poverty simply is being passed on from 1 generation to the next in by far most of the cases. It is so, because you need wealth for a good education. Without a good education the prospects of dragging yourself out of poverty you were born into, is just slim. I told you this before, and you keep on ignoring this.
     
  3. Xenamnes

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    On the basis that what is being presented is a false, racist notion that the black community is simply helpless to do anything on its own except continue remaining helpless and condemned to poverty.
     
  4. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Read post 698
     
  5. notme

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    I don't deny any reality where the white/jews made it the policy of the government to push the entire black community into poverty. And eventhough those laws are illegal, it does not mean the effects of those policies were gone as well. And it's obvious you enjoy the idea that these effects are still very much there.
     
  6. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    The only obvious thing here is your refusal to live in modern time and your wish to play the victim for any slight in the distant past. That is called a victim mentality which you continually display.
     
  7. notme

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    The generation who personally befitted from apartheid rule, and the victims of it are still alive.
    Nobody got convicted over this. No policy to compensation for all the victims were ever installed.
    What there is like a couple of water drops in a frying pan, it resembles the total joke of your argument that this all is distant past.
     
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  8. Arjay51

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    You provide an example in your post of denying reality. Once true to a degree but 150 years have passed and these people still have made no improvements to their status, according to you. That is their problem and no one elses, no matter how much you complain.
     
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    The end of Jim Crow laws happened 150 years ago?
    I think not.
     
  10. Arjay51

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    You keep bringing up the past and allege that it is still pertinent. 150 years is a long time and no on from back then is still alive as you seem to be saying.

    No one is convicted because there is no crime no matter how much you scream. If there were, the liberals would jump to your defense, which they don't.

    As for compensation, what the heck do you call welfare and public housing?

    The joke here is that you want people to take you seriously but give them nothing but nonsense to consider.

    Once again, you lose in a continuing manner.
     
  11. notme

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    As I stated before:
    The generation who personally befitted from apartheid rule, and the victims of it are still alive.

    Your 150 years claim is just false.
     
  12. Arjay51

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    Slavery ended 150 years ago so any upward movement could well have started then.

    As for you not thinking, too easy to take a shot at you.
     
  13. notme

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    Apartheid laws that impoverished the black community did not end 150 years ago.
    And AA is the policy that counters the apartheid theme.... as if you did not know.
     
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    All of your claims are false, or at best relayed by someone with an agenda and no proof.
     
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    How about you quote me on it, with your fake claim racist oppression ended 150 years ago.
     
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  16. Arjay51

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    No it is not. It is codified racism with the aim to promote one race over another, as if YOU didn't know that.

    BTW, is the reason why you changed your name calling to apartheid from Jim Crow because you realize how stupid it was or because no one believed you?
     
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    Of course it is. There first was apartheid rule in the US, and now we got a policy to counter the effects of that.
    You're just ranting utter nonsense by omitting that there was apartheid rule in the US in order to counter the effects.

    Jim Crow laws is apartheid, buddy. And it did not end 150 years ago.
     
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    You get rather defensive when you are caught in a fabrication along with just admitting that you support racism, just your version of it.

    BTW, I am anything but your "buddy".
     
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    Once again, you fabricate a statement that I never said. I never said racism ended, in fact I provided an example of its existence in present times, you.

    And talk of "personnel attacks", what do you think you have been doing just now?

    Time to try to make up another excuse for your failures.
     
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    How about you quote me where I said you did?
    /facepalm
     
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    The only fabrication there is, is this:
    You provide an example in your post of denying reality. Once true to a degree but 150 years have passed

    That is saying slavery was oppression "to a degree", and a denial of apartheid rule.
    All for the sake to claim there is no reason for AA. What an argument.
    How about you quote me on it?
     
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    I don't believe that racism "is alive and well" as much in the US Military as it may be in the civilian world.
    When I was in the US Army "Boot Camp" aka Basic Training in the late 1960s, people were hazed aka ( instructed in "attitude adjustment") according to their behavior not their race. Blacks didn't judge or persecute whites based on race nor did whites persecute blacks for racial reasons.
    Promotions were, in my experience based on performance, not race.
    Racially speaking, the military is sometimes referred to as "The Great Equalizer". At any rate, I quickly learned that skin color didn't count as much as the fact that we all bleed red.

    I believe that AA has outlived it's purpose & in many cases has done more harm than good in the respect that you may not know whether the minority Dr., for example, who will be performing your surgery achieved his position based on his being a minority or on his genuine qualifications.
    AA sometimes injects the stigma that a minority achieved his (or her) position only because he or she happens to be a minority.
    I've encountered medical minorities, especially in V.A. hospitals who clearly were unqualified to practice but were hired & retained in their positions simply because of their minority status.

    While searching for a job, I remember one incident in which I was told, outright, that even though I was more than qualified for the job, the company had to hire more minorities and therefore couldn't hire me. Instead of being bitter and resentful, I simply kept looking for a job & landed one in 2 weeks.
     
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    Is there a link online for this?

    I've seen nothing that shows a closing graduation rate.
     
  24. notme

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    Of course. Read post 391 in this thread
     
  25. Renee

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    Because the playing field hasn’t been level for 200 years. It would be like everyone in a race starting from the same spot even though those in the inside track have it easier. Just curious, did it bother you when white males didn’t have to compete with more than half the population?
    Just a little example. My daughter like black kids in the ghetto had to take the SATs. I have money so I was able to give her score and her score went up 200 points.
     

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