Afghanistan in Transition with US Departure.

U.S. troops will stay in Afghanistan until all American civilians are out, even if it’s past Aug. 31 deadline, Biden says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...Q.ozBEBecmubg-0yShhPvNTNUlRvcXhnpFu8C3Kr_VMOQ

 

I hope so:

 

I think they will do as the now plan. They can't afford not to.

It will take some time for the dust to settle over this one.

 

Tragic:

 

The "new and improved" Taliban.?? Maybe the ae just better at savage killing.

Governing by Terror-ism.

A savage cult mentality...... extreme and insane.

 

What damage has Trump caused in Afghanistan?

 

Understandable:

 

We spent 20 years, a trillion dollars, and thousands of American lives trying to civilize the Afghanis, and it didn't work.

The only solution if to let them come live with us.

 

The core problem was and is...........no one can impose "civilization" or a cultural change in another nation . The people of said natin will change and develop as they are ready to. It was foolhardy from the start.

Would America be receptive to another nation imposing their culture and beliefs on it??.......and by war??

The best outcome is to LEARN from this protrated mess.

What has happened in the process.....is that the Afghans became dependant on the US for security etc............and did not have the motivation to build up their own defenses so they could deal with the Taliban..........The fact their leader left the country when things went south...........says everything you need to know about where they were. If theirleader won't stay and fight for them...........

Because the US created and fostered this dependence............. the Afghans who are not happy with the Taliban.........will feel that the US owes them.........and will want to be rescued.

 

Yep. A more gradual and planned-out withdrawal might have alleviated the situation and allowed the Afghan government and forces to find their feet and stand on their own.

One thing that disturbs me is that it sounds like both administrations were counting on the Afghan government collapsing eventually and were looking merely at how long it would take. It would seem that they had all deemed Afghanistan a failure and just wanted to beat a hasty retreat, consequences for Afghanistan be damned. I suppose it would have been more politically convenient had it happened months after US forces were gone, but hardly better for the Afghans. More planning and work to make stabilize the situation could have saved it, I suspect, but neither president wanted to put that work in, and one of those presidents went and made an idiotic withdrawal agreement with the enemy while excluding the government, which certainly did not help said government in the aftermath.

 

It's not just women's soccer:

 

Interesting..... and explains a few things.. So the deal was with the Taliban alone............not including the Afghan Gov.?? That would have given the Taliban all the incentive and motivation they needed to make sure they overtook the country at any and all cost. They fight to win......... and given their culture of it being honorable to die for a cause., power , or their God ......... there was little to stop them.

The issue is that this is not a one o ff catastrophe. The US now has a history of several situation that have been badly handled. .....And the rest of the world is seeing this as a pattern..............so this is punctuating a new definition of america's role in the world.

Meanwhile the world power dynamic is shifting..

 

The gradual withdrawal started in 2011, - which is 10 years ago. How much longer did they need? And for this final pull-out, they had over a year to prepare for it, but they didn't. Let's face it, they laid down their arms when they knew US was serious about leaving.

 

Good point.

 

Good luck:

 

Right. That's been the long game of China and Russia, certainly, to depict America as a "paper tiger" and an unreliable partner, which can only help them by comparison.

They're the challengers and we're the champion in this arena. They're lean and hungry, and they enjoy the advantage of needing only cause damage to us and our global interests to facilitate our downfall. They don't need to be so great themselves just to harm us and make themselves look good by comparison.

This might improve for us, though, as our foreign entanglements are reduced and we focus more on achievable goals. I'd like to see us put more into helping Latin America and places like Haiti to improve their standards of living. This would reduce the problem of hundreds of thousands of people trying to get into the country for basic security and a better life and would show that we can achieve something meaningful and positive as a superpower.

Then there is Africa, where there is likewise a lot of suffering and fighting, and where radical Islamic terror networks are a problem also. There are great humanitarian challenges around the world for us and other capable, stable nations to try addressing for the benefit of humanity as a whole, and we have to be smart if we want to make a positive difference. And we do want to make a positive difference, because the alternative is to have migrants and refugees swarming the US and Europe.

 

We'll see. I don't think the Taliban will be nearly as successful at imposing order in Afghanistan as they were at opposing it.

 

USA, the Great White Savior!

Me, I am ready to lay down the White Man's burden.

 

You do you. The world needs leadership for humanity to survive and thrive.

 

The U.S. Forces tried to do everything for Afghanistan against the Taliban control and it took 20 years to do it. As a result from all this comes failure and why did this fail?

 

Indeed. !! The focus needs t o change t humanitarian work and effort...........so folks won't feel the ;need to leave their countries.to have a chance at some kind of life. The US has become too much of a militant nation. A country's strength is no longer measured only by its military capability ........but by its ability ,willingness to facilitate others in peril to help themselves get a better life for themselves.

Dumping a bunch of aid into a stressed area ....like Haiti for eg...........is not the best approach. Going there in person and helping them to help themselves........by demonstrating and teaching. and accepting their native culture.

 

Wrong objectives.... miscalculation and underestimating the taliban. When Trump made his "deal " with them..........while excluding the AfghanGvovt........he set things inmotion. The Taliban had been preparing for this all along.

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-america-failed-in-afghanistan?utm_source=pocket-newtab
It's amazing why Afghanistan just surrendered to the Taliban so fast. The Afghans acted like pawns.

 

This didn't have to happen:

 

That's exactly what the US did in Afghanistan, and we spent 20 years, a trillion dollars, and thousands of American lives doing it.

How'd that work out?