Again, economist calls Naziism socialist

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    So is this just totally false?
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=The+Jewish+Declaration+of+War on+Nazi+Germany&FORM=HDRSC1
    https://ia800206.us.archive.org/3/i...r came from the private international bankers.
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    “Rothschild’s ill-gotten wealth also effectively bought his family the first Jewish seat in the British Parliament and even membership in the British aristocracy. By combining the power of their own family’s huge banks and other Jewish-owned banks, they could literally bring a nation’s economy to its knees. By dominating international banking, they could set their own financial terms to cash-hungry nations and amass even greater riches. Because of the competitive advantages of Rothschild’s international contacts, Jews dominated private banking throughout Europe. For instance, there was almost a complete absence of Gentile banking firms in Prussia in the late 19th century. In 1923 Berlin there were 150 Jewish banks and only 11 non-Jewish banks. In the stock market, schemes similar to Rothschild’s Waterloo ploy have been used for generations, finally resulting in the center of world trading, Wall Street, becoming dominated by Jewish stock and investment- banker operations.”
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    I don't see how what you say in your historical exposition proves that the above is historically false.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...st-christendom.541717/page-30#post-1074050402
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    U.S. Corporations heavily invested in Germany were so outraged by Roosevelt’s New Deal policies, that some American corporate leaders began a plot in 1934 to overthrow the American government and install a fascist regime. Fanatic Hitler worshipper, Irènee du Pont (1876–1963), financed the Nazis regime through General Motors, and the J. P. Morgan Bank. Also involved in the planned coup was owner Robert Clark of the Singer Sewing machine corporation (and gun manufacturer), Grayson Murphy of Goodyear, and the Pew family of Sun Oil (see NH, p. 143). Extremist right-wing political organizations were also participating such as the American Liberty League financed by the du Pont family:
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    Could you explain?
     
  2. Kyklos

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    https://www.bing.com/search?q=The+Jewish+Declaration+of+War on+Nazi+Germany&FORM=HDRSC1
    https://ia800206.us.archive.org/3/items/HowHitlerDefiedTheInternationalBankers/HowHitlerDefiedTheBankers.pdf#:~:text=Hitler began a national credit program by devising,no longer came from the private international bankers.
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    This looks like anti-sematic propaganda glommed onto post-WWI history as a mask. Not every banker involved with the financing of WWI was of Jewish decent. A man was once held up by a robber wearing a wig, and so victim reported the wig to the police.
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    “Rothschild’s ill-gotten wealth also effectively bought his family the first Jewish seat in the British Parliament and even membership in the British aristocracy. By combining the power of their own family’s huge banks and other Jewish-owned banks, they could literally bring a nation’s economy to its knees. By dominating international banking, they could set their own financial terms to cash-hungry nations and amass even greater riches. Because of the competitive advantages of Rothschild’s international contacts, Jews dominated private banking throughout Europe. For instance, there was almost a complete absence of Gentile banking firms in Prussia in the late 19th century. In 1923 Berlin there were 150 Jewish banks and only 11 non-Jewish banks. In the stock market, schemes similar to Rothschild’s Waterloo ploy have been used for generations, finally resulting in the center of world trading, Wall Street, becoming dominated by Jewish stock and investment- banker operations.”
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    The is another sign of intellectual dishonesty by mixing in standard WWII history and then throwing in the alleged quote above by the American Nazi David Duke. Shame on you. I guess the truth isn't enough for you.

    I don't see how what you say in your historical exposition proves that the above is historically false.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/attack-against-christendom.541717/page-30#post-1074050402
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    You are now trying to present a strawman argument to characterize my first response to another quote you presented. This shows no respect for the community of discourse, for the viewpoints presented, nor to the good faith to this public forum.
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    U.S. Corporations heavily invested in Germany were so outraged by Roosevelt’s New Deal policies, that some American corporate leaders began a plot in 1934 to overthrow the American government and install a fascist regime. Fanatic Hitler worshipper, Irènee du Pont (1876–1963), financed the Nazis regime through General Motors, and the J. P. Morgan Bank. Also involved in the planned coup was owner Robert Clark of the Singer Sewing machine corporation (and gun manufacturer), Grayson Murphy of Goodyear, and the Pew family of Sun Oil (see NH, p. 143). Extremist right-wing political organizations were also participating such as the American Liberty League financed by the du Pont family:
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    Hey, this guy must be a genius! It is the only quote I can agree with! A sad attempt of trying to spread disinformation. Irenee du Pont was French by the way.

    You asked the question, "So is this just totally false?" I think you don't understand the fallacy of your reasoning. Let "C" represent your anti-sematic arguments.

    If A is true and B is true, then the whole conjunction (A * B) is true.
    If A is true and B is false, then the whole conjunction (A * B) is false.
    If A is false and B is false, then the whole conjunction (A * B) is false.
    If A is true and B is true, and C is false, then the whole conjunction (A* B* C) is false.

    If we examine every truth value combination of A, B, and C, we find that all the other seven conjunctions are false in the truth table below. So, no matter how many historical facts you may get correct, variable "C" will falsify all of your conjunctive proposition.

    (A and B and C)
    T and T and T = T
    T and T and F = F
    T and F and T = F
    T and F and F = F
    F and T and T = F
    F and T and F = F
    F and F and T = F
    F and F and F = F

    ...I have more counter arguments, but thanks for your logical fallacy example.
     
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  3. Scott

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    I don't buy that. It's not surprising that there were people in the US who supported Hitler before the war as he seemed to be doing a good job of turning Germany around and people probably didn't foresee the coming war. It's also possible that he got the Jewish bankers mad at him by not letting them exploit Germany. I don't see why both things couldn't have happened simultaneously.

    Everything David Duke says isn't automatically wrong because he's the Head of the KKK. KKK members know that two plus two is four.
     
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    No, but he’s a right wing ideologue.

    Here’s a guy with a PhD in economics from Yale. The title says it’s about communism but starting at the 1:15 timestamp it is all about fascism and your (false) ideas about it.

     
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