Al Jazeera reporter killed during Israeli raid in West Bank

Which is totally meaningless.

 

Hmmmmm Pretending not to understand that the response "hiding dirty deeds" to the question "what motive" means "hiding dirty deeds is the motive" being suggested to you .. .. not sure meaningless is the term I would use . certainly void of something.. .. and who knows that that might be

 

You keep changing what you said! "Hiding dirty deeds" is not what you said.

 

No change .. just different words .. "Hiding dirty deeds" "dirty deeds to hide" having trouble figureing out that both mean the same mate ?

 

I note that you stopped responding to:
You're still are conceding to that 6 independent investigations proved that Israel murdered a reporter.
You are conceding since you're not disputing it.


While you are also not disputing that the US government is rather pro Israel.

 

You are still not able to dispute their findings. Nobody has as far as I know. And so you are conceding that these 6 independent inquiries saying Israel killed the reporter is the truth.

 

The TRUTH? Well the inquiries happened, so yes, that is TRUE.

 

What is also true is that you keep on replying, but you're not able to dispute their findings.
simple.

 

I have no interest in disputing the findings of non-governmental bodies.

 

You only say that because you can't debunk their conclusion that Israel killed a reporter.
Israel isn't even interested in capturing the killer who ever it may be.... so it's obvious a Jew killed an Arab.
That's how the Jew state responds in such instances. Which is very different when an Arab kills a Jew.
We all know this.

 

Why, what happens when an Arab kills a Jew?

 

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It seems that throughout our discussion all I do is provide sources and answer your same questions over and over while you ignore my questions

Please answer the following questions that I have already asked:

1. Why are you so devoted to Wikipedia when I have shown through multiple sources that it is deeply infected and controlled by Hasbara trolls?

2. Why is the testimony of Nakba survivors any less credible than that of holocaust survivors?

3. What evidence do you have to show that Arab News, Hub of Middle East Politics, Middle East Monitor and Countercurrents parrot the Palestinian position?


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No, a lie is still a lie no matter who repeats it. Would you believe sources that claim that the earth is flat?

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Richard Catling of the Red Cross provides the only credible information. The individuals you listed have either been misquoted or are lying to preserve the honor of the raped Arab women. Denying rape to preserve one's reputation is common even today.

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The following is the source for the quote for the Shulamit Aloni quote. I don't think that you realize the scope and obvious influence of Israel's army of paid, trained and scripted Hasbara trolls

“Here’s how to deal with extremist pro-Israeli trolls on social media”
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/06/...extremist-pro-israeli-trolls-on-social-media/

EXCERPT “We have known for a long time that the Israeli government funds intensive online attacks against people who criticise their policies or express support for the BDS movement (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) against Israel or actively support the Palestinian struggle for human rights.

A person attacked in this way will find messages posted online calling them a “Nazi”, “anti-Semite”, “Jew-hater” etc and will typically feel shocked and overwhelmed.

Now we know the details of how this works.

In many cases these attacks will be from a single person using multiple on-line identities on behalf of an Israeli government funded group called ACT.IL.

ACT.IL boasts it has 15,000 “online volunteers” from 73 countries who use their app to perform online “missions” in exchange for “cool prizes” and “scholarships”. CONTINUED

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I'm sure that opinions vary from person to person.

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Yes, also known as the Catastrophe when Nazi trained(1) Zionist terrorist gangs and IDF destroyed 532 Palestinian villages and massacred most all of their residents.(2)

Yes, Germany's National Socialist government trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs whose atrocities exceeded anything the Germans did.


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I'm not that familiar with "Arab News" or "Hub of Middle East Politics" but I've found "Middle East Monitor" to be credible.

I don't know of any source that is completely objective.




(1) “Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.

Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs." CONTINUED



(2) "Debunking Israeli Myths about the Nakba: Denial Does Not Overwrite History"
https://politicstoday.org/debunking-israeli-myths-about-the-nakba-denial-does-not-overwrite-history/

EXCERPT " In this article, I present and debunk a number of myths about the Israeli narrative of the Nakba events and the creation of Israel.

The Israeli narrative claims that Palestinians chose to leave their towns and villages. Israel negates what actually happened, and the mass depopulation of villages and cities in Palestine, including committing dozens of massacres against the Palestinians to push them out. One such example is the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, where some 250 Palestinian civilians were massacred, including pregnant women and children.

The news and smell of death of Deir Yassin sent waves of shock and panic across Palestine pushing many Palestinians to run for their lives, lest they face a similar fate to Deir Yassin and dozens of other villages. Israeli leaders praise the role of the massacre of Deir Yassin in establishing Israel. Menachem Begin, in his 1952 memoir, says that “without Deir Yassin there wouldn’t have been an Israel.” CONTINUED

 

Because I cited one single Wikipedia article, this makes me "devoted" to it?

I didn't say that Nakba survivors were any less credible. You just randomly mentioned Nakba for some reason. We certainly weren't talking about it.

I didn't include Countercurrents when I said that. And I don't have any evidence, I was just throwing an unsupported claim out there to see what you said, after you initially avoided answering my question on whether they are objective sources on the Palestinian/Israel subject. It would seem that those particular outlets would be very inclined to support all things Islamic, and so I thought that there was a reasonable chance that they parrot the Palestinian government position, just like the Jerusalem Post parrot's the Israeli government position.

It's your opinion that it's a lie. That's all.

In your opinion.

How could you possibly know that? Are you not slandering the messenger which you criticise the other side for doing?

I doubt that you will not find one single person who denies that Deir Yassin happened at all.

 

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Perhaps it's because it's the only source you've cited repeatedly that I feel you rely on Wikipedia too heavily. I don't remember your citing another source during our discussion.

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We were discussing the Zionist massacre at Deir Yassin which was just one of the 532 Palestinian villages that was destroyed by Nazi armed and trained Zionist terrorist gangs & the IDF.

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The Red Cross is the only neutral source and therefore the most credible one.
During my 10 - 11 months in the Middle East, (1973) I spent time in Palestinian Refugee camps too where I learned the Arabic stigma about rape during the Nakba. While there is no question that the Zionist terrorist gangs & IDF committed sexual atrocities, many Palestinians were reluctant to discuss it because of the extreme shame it brought on their Palestinian wives, mothers, grandmothers and daughters.

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I'm afraid that there are certain Hasbara propagandists that claim that the Nakba is just Arab propaganda.

It looks like we've got another weekend coming up so I hope you are able to enjoy it.

 

Oh ok, I didn't know that Deir Yassin was PART of Nakba.

What does the Red Cross have to do with Richard Catling?

There is no question? There is ABSOLUTELY question.

And this is the only possible reason why people would deny that rape happened? It couldn't possibly be because no rape actually happened?

So slandering the messenger is bad, but it's okay when YOU do it.

Yes, hopefully we both will enjoy it.

 

Would they not be very inclined to support all things Islamic?

There is nothing in here about the German's training the Israelis.

 

Why, what happens when an Arab kills a Jew?

 

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No more so than the "Jerusalem Post" and Jewish owned publications / MSM would be very inclined to support all things Israeli / Jewish.

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Yes, it does.
Israel was not created by Colonial Powers and Zionists until after WW 2 in May of 1948 so the Germans were training and arming "prospective settlers" / "Jewish settlers" (1), (2) for their life in Palestine.

That's why National Socialism and Zionism are so similar except the Zionists were more ruthless than the Germans.

Where do you think that the Jewish civilians who comprised the Zionist terrorist gangs got their military training?


(1) “Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.

Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs." CONTINUED



(2) "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis"
https://www.wrmea.org/004-september...nts-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis.html

EXCERPT "Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist cause." CONTINUED

 

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Richard Catling was working for the Red Cross at the time. He was their representative.

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It's what I've both read for decades and heard from the mouths of Nakba survivors. In the Islamic world, rape is an especially shameful and sensitive crime for the victim and her relatives.

Have you ever been to the Middle East as a civilian?

Why do you find it so hard to believe that Zionist terrorists would commit mass murder but not sexual atrocities?

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Slandering the messenger is bad when they're telling the truth. One of the reasons I believe the Nakba survivors with whom I spoke is that their stories were consistent.

Don't expect to find much on Zionist - Israeli atrocities via Google because Israeli government censorship is some of the most draconian in the world (1)

Thanks,


(1) "Terrorizing and expelling Arabs", new Israeli documents verify the Palestinian narrative"
https://raseef22.net/article/108523...-israisraeli-documents-verify-the-palestinian

EXCERPT "Israel insists on imposing strict censorship on thousands of historical documents that support the Palestinian narrative of what happened during the Nakba, Arabic for catastrophe, when Palestinians were chased out on Palestine in 1948. The documents reveal details of how Arab residents were expelled as Zionist military organizations committed war crimes against them, from murder to torture to looting." CONTINUED

 

Not according to my research he wasn't. Can you support this claim?

And this is the only possible reason why people would deny that rape happened? It couldn't possibly be because no rape actually happened?

No.

Mass murder? Is that including the killing of enemy combatants?

Editing Wikipedia -- which is designed to be edited -- is one thing, but how does Israel censor websites which it does not control?

 

Yeah, sure. So then you believe that Arab News, Hub of Middle East Politics and Middle East Monitor are not objective sources on this subject, just like the Jerusalem Post?

 

Like I said earlier, I believe every source has at least some bias but the most egregious pro Israel bias is exhibited by Western MSM:


"New Study Finds 50-Year History of Anti-Palestine Bias in Mainstream News Reporting"
https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-study-finds-50-year-history-of-pro-israel-bias-in-us-media/254049/

EXCERPT "A study of 50 years of headlines in 5 top newspapers finds that media coverage of Israel-Palestine favors Israel by providing more overall coverage, more positive coverage, and greater access to Israeli voices than to Palestinian ones. Much of this can be attributed to pressure from the pro-Israel lobby."CONTINUED

“Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with, and questions like Tapper’s follow naturally. One can easily imagine the media uproar if it were Hamas that struck a disabled center with a rocket, or killed 18 members of the same family, or four kids on a beach.

Studies show that when Israel does commit atrocities, they are often justified by western news outlets, and sometimes altogether suppressed. As journalist Amena Saleem reported last August, BBC News instructed its reporters to positively spin stories about Israeli violence in Gaza during a November 2012 operation that killed about 200 Palestinians after Israel broke a ceasefire with Hamas.”CONTINUED

 

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I've already posted that information and am getting tired of repeating myself. Richard Catling was not officially employed by the Red Cross full time but worked with the British Criminal Investigations Division (C.I.D.). Both the Red Cross officials and the British investigators concluded that the number of sexual atrocities committed were just the "tip of the iceberg".
What makes you such a fervent apologist for proven mass murders, rapists and sexual perverts?

Please show your research.

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Yes.

No. Again, What makes you such a fervent apologist for proven mass murders, rapists and sexual perverts?

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There were no enemy combatants at or from Deir Yassin. The villagers refused to provide fighters for the ill equipped Arab armies and even had a truce agreement with a neighboring Zionist Terrorist Gang not to join the resistance.(1)

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The following source explains how Hasbara trolls manipulate outside sources better than I can: (2)





(1) "Remembering Deir Yassin"
https://teifidancer-teifidancer.blogspot.com/2019/04/remembering-deir-yassin.html

EXCERPT "The village lay outside of the area assigned by the United Nations to the 'Jewish State'. It had a peaceful reputation, the Deir Yassin villagers had signed a non aggression pact with the leaders of the adjacent Jewish Quarter, Giv'at Shaul and had even refused military personnel from the Arab Liberation Army from using the village as a base.

An Israeli psychiatric hospital now lies on the ruins of Deir Yassin, the remainder of which was bulldozed in the 1980s to make way for new settlements and incorporated as a neighbourhood of Jerusalem. These streets shamefully carry the names of the Irgun militiamen who carried out the massacre." CONTINUED


(2) The War on Truth: How Israel's social media trolls conquered Facebook"
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...raels-social-media-trolls-conquered-facebook/

 

You posted the CLAIM before, but you did not post any accompanying sources which support your claim. You have another opportunity to do so in your next reply.

Unsupported.

What makes you think that I accept them as "proven?" I condemn ALL murder, rape and sexual perversion.

That's the point: there's nothing to show! I couldn't link Catling to the Red Cross.

You're just being ridiculous now, saying that the only possible reason why someone would deny that they've been raped is that it is an especially shameful and sensitive crime for the victim and her relatives. Obviously another is that they were not actually raped. You just want to believe the former because of your anti-Israel bias, even if that bias is justified.

Again, what makes you think that I accept them as "proven?" I condemn ALL murder, rape and sexual perversion.

Depends on how you define "enemy combatant." They had guns and obviously were engaged with the Jews in a firefight.

Ok, so this is just about Facebook. And users, posts and accounts which incite violence SHOULD be banned/removed.