LOL, so it is now my claim? Perhaps you should read back. As to BUGs. I claimed to supply 'SOME DETAIL'. you are beginning to loose the plot now. with your repetitive chook scratchings Oh so previous rants that he can not do it without increasing or introducing taxes, is forgotten? is that because you have realized that Gillard inferred different and you now find out she is doing the very thing you oppose? So, you agree? it is not going to achieve anything but economic hardship to the nation? Please provide me with the quote which state this. I will think you find you are wrong. So, in your opinion, because an ETS has not been introduced and the money has been allocated it has been derived from the Ausaid funding? You do realize that this proves not your claim? yes, I did. don't deny that. Apparently it is some sort of consolation to you to continue to proclaim I said it was from ETS as well. So, the first time you say it, makes you think everybody should already know it. You still have not answered my question, Should Australia pay it's fair share of developed nations to ongoing funding? No, Combet has committed (and signed) to supporting the ongoing funding of this program. The amount of commitment and reductions have not been settled. If you had actually read the link I and you provided you will see on the site there are update links. Try reading them before touting Gibberish you don't know. HAHAHAHAHA do you really think I stated the UN has intended to tell the nations of the world HOW to raise funding? Oh please, if you have nothing don't give us the meanderings of the blind. Yes No, that is your adaptation of the statement. If you have nothing (as per usual) then just admit it. You constantly make claims (and have again) yet you back extremely little. So most of what you say is simply YOUR OPINION. At present YOUR OPINION has very little credibility. deficit? What you think because ALP and Greens ran Australia into the dirt, the coalition can not do anything else? Oh, I see, you just don't like the fact the current government has got it wrong so it will take another government to bail them out. So you are one of those ignorant people who have no Idea HOW people become POOR. You do agree that everybody will pay more with both this new tax and it's transition into an ETS? Just answer this, "Will any Australian be worse of from Government policy on climate change?". Apparently, you do not think it has anything to do with the people. You see it in the media of your country everyday. you walk past it in the streets everyday, yet you ignore it. You discuss, all the time how Australia should be more tolerant of your fellow man. Yet your ignorant of the issue of the homeless and the working poor, just to name a few. last time you asked for this I posed a question, What evidence do you want, government figures, charity organizations? Get your head out the sand and answer that, you will get what you want. read it and noticed a lot of things, you have obviously not. Pretending you know so much more than anyone with this policy is shown to be false bellow. And according to all your so called expert economic people the compensation will fall short, Go figure. No, You previously showed your bigotry and racist tendencies assuming all these things. You have also shown, you do not care about the people in your own nation, So why should you know them?
Really? Perhaps you could explain this, and perhaps you could show how this equivocates to the average Australian worker? While I find the link to show how very small it actually is, Yes it has been on this forum before. So you really believe that they are going to reduce their poverty by having more energy? You think that none of the money, The UN is intending to raise, will be spent on the simple solution of eliminating poverty? HAHAHAHAHAHa Would you take the government supported figures from the treasury http://www.countercurrents.org/polya180711.htm GEE They say something different from you, Guess it must be their stupid opinion. LOL try and find something that supports you. LOL, and it is exactly the same as this new tax, isn't it? OR do we need to point out the differences of the introduction. Perhaps you need to revise your figures. for somebody that has so far better knowledge of this ETS you would actually know what the figures your government is proclaiming. The Carbon Tax is EXPECTED to raise revenue of 27 BILLION. I can see your credibility cringing in the corner. ACCORDING To the Coalition they are spending 32 BILLION of it at this time. You simplistic view of this break up of spending, did not include the 6 layers of bureaucracy that will be introduced to administer the TAX. AND so much more. No, you show how little you understand this policy obviously not, it usually does not say what you claim they say. so I take with a grain of salt. your so called evidence No, Get it right, I know you find it hard to comprehend IT IS A FACT AUSTRALIA IS SENDING BILLIONS OVERSEAS. it is pure assumption that it is going to be funded by the ETS, More the tax. But I assume it will need to be. If it comes from other tax money, then you will squeal. hahahahaha, look at who makes strawman arguments. You poor sole, perhaps instead of trying to bash me with this 10% thing you could actually examine my very first post to you. Yes I really do own you, You are now pretending you are so right. Making up your arguments for me to answer only stands to show your ability to engage with others. This actually shows your arrogance toward others and the reason I and many others know you have no IDEA how the other half live and don't care (as long as it does not effect you)
Explain what? That having 1 million fewer people from the bottom end of the income spectrum paying income tax is a tax cut? Really? The 'simple solution of eliminating poverty'? lol, What? Power generation will bring people out of poverty, yes. Gawd, why do you insist on posting blogs? Nothing in there backs up your statement that the ETS will 'do nothing'. If you claim that the ETS is a 'great big new tax on everything', then yup that's what the GST was. 27 billion, OVER THREE YEARS. 27 divided by 3 is...? Don't hurt your brain trying to work it out garry. Yes, spending from the ETS legislative package is about 32 billion, and it'll cost about 4 billion dollars. What you quoted, was $30 fast start finance fund as proof that australia is sending 'billions overseas'. Which is obviously rubbish, because we're spending $599 million not 'billions', lol. You've got yourself all confused garry. lol, '6 layers'? WTF are you talking about? lol. lol, Oh so now you agree that it's an assumption that money from the ETS will go to the Green Climate Fund, nice flip flopping there. lol, not it's not a 'fact'. 'Is' present tense, care to point to any evidence that this Fund has recieved 'billions' from Australia? We're still waiting. lol, We are still waiting for you to provide evidence that 10% of the ETS is going to this UN Fund, or that 'billions' has already gone to the fund, as you originally claimed before you realised that was wrong, or that billions 'is' going to the fund even as we speak. lol. Getting bored of this garry, what do you say that the shadow Climate Change minister said that the government hasn't signed 10% of the ETS to the fund? Not even the Opposition agrees with you garry.
Where do you want me to send that "gold" star too? You really sound like an old mole who's just won second prize at the show for making jam... Think I might have hit the nail on the head about YOU being a cyber toll for Labor though!! No one else could be so stupid except the blind party faithful or those making a living off trolling for them.
You are by far one of the worst posters on this site. I want to see some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing discussion, not some moron with a hurt ego desperately trying to belittle other people.
I'm the worst poster on this site -cut back on the drugs & alcohol so early in the day dude! I attempted to engage a few members in a rational discussion. In particular DominionV about Aboriginals, but he decided to do a runner and chuck insults FIRST. If your bum-buddies on here don't want to get out of the "play-pen" and talk like adults; then why shouldn't I be allowed to play in the pen with them? You know the adage: "When in Rome" !! And by the way "rim-boy" who are you calling a moron. LOL
For not agreeing with all the bull-shyte that gets written on here by the local Labor troll boys? They are so obvious!!
You don't like Labor trolls but yet you are a Liberal troll how ironic. I may also be a troll (sometimes) but neither of the major parties are getting my number one at the election.
You are dead wrong!! If you or anyone else was serious and fair, they would know by what I have posted that I am not for Labor, Liberal or the Greens.
It doesn't seem like it when you seem to back right-wing views on every thread so either you are a liberal or some other right wing party.
You are the one that wrote that "10% of ETS revenue is going to the UN" with out realising it was just a piece of crap made up by some blogger You still haven't apologised to the forum for trying to spread that bit of misinformation yet, have you.
If I thought for one moment, that you could have a rational discussion, I would jump at the opportunity. However, after seeing the childish way you carry on ... Your total refusal to back your claims with evidence, and not just some other bloggers opinion. ... Your constant desire to go off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. For example, I have cornered you so many times, you refuse to answer, change the subject etc. Here for example, you are trying to get a bite out of me over the indigenous issues, nothing what so ever to do with the topic, but rather trying to inflame reactions. I am a sensible man and will not enter into such a childish scenario. No matter what you reply, the answer is no, I won't stoop to your low. But thank you for noticing me, I must have struck some cord. I'm flattered
To explain to those that do not know, culldav is upset because I said he was "acting like a child", not that he WAS a child. Now he and another member had got themselves into a heated exchange, that resembled the notes we used to pass back and forth at school. My Daddy can beat your Daddy type of stuff. It degenerated until it was "you should have ended in a tissue" type of childish crud. When I brought it to their attention, the other member humbly apologised, realising what he had done. culldav however just retorted with yet another childish remark. I do hope your MUMMY heard you culldav. Now he is trying to bring his neo-Nazi, right wing extreme, white Australia policy and his demonstrated lack of knowledge into debating me about his blinkered view of our indigenous peoples. culldav, your a piece of work
If you feel comforted by your own lies, the only person looking in the mirror is you!! I was rationally debating you about the young Aboriginal job candidates who deliberately sabotaged their job interviews with my business when applying for work. I thought we were discussing that its not the case that Aboriginal people are put to the back of employment cues by employers, but in many cases, it’s the young Aboriginal people who put themselves at the back of the employment cue due to sabotaging their employment prospects. If memory servers me correctly, you didn’t even respond. You just went to another topic where you took petty revenge and started with irrational insults. Well. I’m certainly not rolling over or taking any low-brow comments from a dim-wit like you!! What you need to do is grow some balls and a brain. Then ask your so-called bludging Aboriginal people why they screamed blue bloody murder until the Federal Government initiated anti-discrimination legislation that allows Aboriginal people not to participate in any Centrelink approved training courses or Workplace training course or actively look for work that’s mandatory for all other Australians receiving welfare benefits. The Aboriginal people might think they are smart by simply bludging off the white mans welfare without doing anything or thinking there will be no recourse to this behaviour, but what they are really doing is killing themselves through loss of skills and knowledge. The majority of the Aboriginal people are dying prematurely through alcohol and drug related causes that come with doing nothing and not integrating into society - so in essence; Aboriginals are a dying culture that should be gone by the end of the Century with no further intervention from the white man. Aboriginals have tried to exploit the white man through welfare hand-outs for the better part of four decades, and in doing so, they have just undermined and exploited their own civilisation and culture. SUCKED IN!! LOL
What did you expect me to say to someone who attacks me? You must be the dick-head of your social group - I bet you're the person in the group everyone else takes the "Mickey" out off. LOL
I expected a more mature and less ironic response in an attempt to save yourself some dignity....Instead you only confirmed that you make terrible posts. I mean, they aren't even insulting. They just suck.
You expected a mature response from me to a p-i-s-s-ant who started biting my big toe for no reason... Who is trying to be insulting, you're just sad little thing with no confidence who like to attacks internet strangers for no reason!!
Why don't you go and toss-off to some of your favorite net porn, and leave us adults alone for awhile.
If he ever made a reasonable, thought out, researched argument, then I would be only too happy to have an adult debate with him. But he always resorts to name calling, vile remarks, inflammatory comments and general garbage. He hasn't had one original thought in his life I don't think, and if it wasn't for the Alan Jones of the world he would have nothing to say. It is people like him that have given Australia a bad name. 90% of people here think he is a moron, and I am sure that more then 10% here are morons, so I suppose even the morons think he is a moron. As for insulting him, it was his string of vile mouth insults that drew my attention to him in the first instance. Just treat him with the contempt he deserves and ignore him.
I am glad the Aboriginal people have you as an advocate - posting #193 was just a wee-bit over your head wasn't it. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
