America’s educational failings

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  1. Paul8591

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    Education makes nations great and strong. America is having the second GDP in the world. If we measure the knowledge and skill level of the people, America is far behind a lot of countries. We are raising people without proper skills and art to practice. The problem is when this under skilled people hit the job market they are in the lower paying jobs and thus are not able to participate in the development of the country. Every year we have to invite thousands of skilled workers from abroad to run our technology companies.
    We are losing our technology, silicon market, health care and business world to people from other countries. We give them nationalities and ask them to run our technology world because we are unable to run our own business. Isn't it ridiculous. Inviting people from other countries is not bad, but not raising our generation properly is definitely a crime which coming generation won't forgive us.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions
     
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    So what do you think should be done to improve the trajectories of our whippersnappers?
     
  3. Paul8591

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    I would say more attention should be paid to the education, keeping in mind quality and cost.
     
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    Parents, parents, parents need to get more involved with their child's education. When little Johnny starts falling behind in a subject seek help immediately and do not rely on an overworked teacher to provide the extra tutoring. Parents can seek help from older boys and girls to help out. Pay them the same as you would a babysitter. If the necessary skills such as learning how to learn is not established early on, the child will only fall further behind as he or she is passed on to the next higher grade.
     
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    It doesn't help when so many of the parents think the Bible is a science textbook.
     
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    Nothing gets done because libs control education and they don't want to give up their monopoly.
     
  7. Paul8591

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    Parents have their busy lives, if nothing else than the social media. Parents also need parenting to be parents.
     
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    Sunday school is failing too, Christians are asking the gov to take over that job cause I guess the church is screwing it up
     
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    If you define education as skills, then I would agree with you. But our education systeem is not about skills, but about knowldege, facts, and interpreting those facts. And that has led to a skill gap in our country. We are more concernced what a piece of paper says than we know whether a person can do the job or not with the skills the person has or has not learned.
     
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    But in many peer nation its about skills look at one EU powerhouse GERMANY. They simply track students young and work them towards an apprenticeship track (low to high level ones) and many in careers here would require a college education high end manufacturing technology or banking services. University is inexpensive and open to their best students who want to go into that level of education for the rest of the careers or to train academic scholars they still offer liberal arts majors and graduate educations. But in the end skills matter more if your a flexible worker, able to be retrained and are able to apply skills to needed work in society.

    I agree knowledge is useful and all but unless its useful what's the point.
     
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    And people need to stop making excuses for why we can't do better in this country education-wise.
     
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    We need to teach problem solving skills starting at an early age. That is the skill kids need at the earliest age possible.
     
  13. Paul8591

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    I agree with you, we have more of the paper based knowledge and less of the skills. We need to take care of both parts of the education.
     
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    Then perhaps we need a more european model. Not every student is going to have the same view when it comes to what they want to do when they grow up. Our school system used to have divergent programs within the high schools. If you wanted to go to college, there was a path for that; if you wanted to go into the military, there was ROTC which was more than one class; if you wanted to build houses, there was a track; if you wanted to do electronics, there was a track; if you wanted to do automotives, there was a track; if you wanted to go into healthcare, there was a track; if you wanted to go into food services, there was a track. Most of those tracks have been eliminated or so watered down over the last generation in the combination of pursuing either higher test scores or reducing costs under the banner "Well we will give every child the ability to go to college, and those that want to do otherwise, can acquire what they need later."

    I don't think there is a national solution other than funding and removing the strings that go with the funding so that state and local governments can decide what works for their students. Some people just will not do well in a generalized learning environment.
     
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    Sunday schools are a big failure. I think, the church has to work on it and revitalize it. Sunday Schools were a great source of knowledge to kids.
     
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    Perhaps if the GOP could stop demonizing teachers and defunding education?
     
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    Whenever I see someone blame parents about education it is clear you are clueless about the reality of the USA. Tens of millions of kids DO NOT have parents to give them what you believe they are required to give! Logic dictates that if tens of millions of kids DO NOT have the bonus of parents to assist in education, then DO NOT design an education system which involves the parents because it is guaranteed failure.

    The lack of parenting in terms of assisting kids with education can stem from myriad reasons; no parents, single parents, absent parents, stupid parents, etc.

    IMO, an improved education system must leave out the parent variable, eliminate homework, provide 2-3 hours per day of study time, provide free breakfast and lunch, and all of this must be accomplished during an 8 hour day, 4-5 days per week.

    Additionally, millions of kids live in ghettos, in crime-ridden areas, with drugs and gangs, and it is unconscionable to me that our governments allow this to happen! Schools and public facilities and parks and libraries and technology in these areas should be identical to what is found in 90210.

    Lastly, when I was a kid there were truancy officers and we were not allowed to hang out away from school and home. Somehow, the millions of kids who are truant need to be brought into a better system. I believe if WE did our jobs first, the kids will follow...
     
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    Is getting parents more involved with their child's education a bad thing for you?
     
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    Education is being defunded? Use facts, not superstition.

    A minor cut during the recession, but in constant dollars, it has gone from $9751 per student in 2011-2012 dollars in 2000-2001 to 11,153 dollars in 2010-2011. Somehow an increase in almost 20% is defunding education? (and most of that time is during the GW Bush admin).

    http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66
     
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    Agreed, but the best way to learn problem solving is just about the opposite of what schools are doing today. Kids are spending too much time with their butt in seats vs learning by doing things.
     
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    America spends almost 3x as much as its next closest competitor (South Korea) per student. Our educational system has room for improvement but increasing funding alone is not the path to success.
     
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    Parents can help their kids with this skill. Give them challenging things to figure out at home and let them toil through their mistakes until they figure the challenge. This can be a fun type of learning game.
     
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    just on a side note.... I had a table thrown at me today......


    and the g/f, at her school, a kid got mad at another (2nd graders btw) and twisted his arm til it snapped like a twig. Victim parents are pressing charges. Attackers parents are blaming the PE teacher for their son being an ********.


    oh yeah, state testing was going on today.... I'm sure broken arm boy is going to score well.
     
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    Fo sizzle, you know what I'm saying Dog? As long as you feel good about yourself the answer doesn't really matter...
     

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